From 3RzLFSwwJBooq5owupro1wszu0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Apr 13 20:11:27 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3RzLFSwwJBooq5owupro1wszu0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1t0c-0001j4-8R; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:26 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf9790988qyk.1 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=UEGiXZK6MyeRfeKlQRzeazHAA9hVMiUMeW8+2JZ71kY=; b=MSH4c86thgP4/jvq/BswFhGat3u2iK+9Vf4314+H5KQv56qd34bV6QKMWyNpaE6dXM QJgfVUNlNIl1hP8kRO4IwmBJ11EmAjc3F8yNZALY7Z/scHe7ehwrAEa6YAaQgMd1DU01 PBUnFYixHCCtu05zEiRfebWcsyyndp3bVZ7Zs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=htx7Laol1/81TM/aRdT/iMd5Oz6Jv9jKebifr9avmqovnkJ3VbhvhT+I0hyIyttBr7 QcgyK+ot8i7FnYlGCKdcNxAio2KslyrpvT05+fznj37XHSIJeZ2nopKqZ8jV1W0FxArQ AvNQ7njAUj2XFWk7PqXo+PlnIxPfq3g1cHXWo= Received: by 10.224.26.142 with SMTP id e14mr335241qac.9.1271214663812; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.42.12 with SMTP id q12ls92598qae.0.p; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.58.97 with SMTP id f33mr640040qah.3.1271214661128; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.58.97 with SMTP id f33mr640039qah.3.1271214661100; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si887938qyk.12.2010.04.13.20.11.00; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.27 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.92.27; Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so2522633qwh.19 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.234.17 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:10:59 -0400 Received: by 10.229.190.209 with SMTP id dj17mr9368363qcb.52.1271214659924; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/ae268ca13507b088 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > "re lo ci bakni cu citka lo pipno" does not imply that both cows eat the same > piano. Neither does "re lo ci bakni cu citka pa pipno" or (if I understand > xorlo right) "lo pipno cu se citka re lo ci bakni". "pa pipno cu se citka re > lo ci bakni", though, does imply that the same piano was eaten by both cows. Wait, I thought the definition of SE conversions was such that "re lo ci bakni ku pa pipno cu citka," "re lo ci bakni cu citka pa pipno," "pa pipno cu se citka re lo ci bakni," "te citka pa pipno ku re lo ci bakni", and so forth were all equivalent. But my Lojban's a bit rusty these days and my xorlo's never been entirely right; am I misremembering? - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.