From 3_dvFSwsJBuoYfgdZUMZeWkSYMUX.OaYXaVNMZSaaSXQSdagbe.OaY@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 14 08:15:35 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3_dvFSwsJBuoYfgdZUMZeWkSYMUX.OaYXaVNMZSaaSXQSdagbe.OaY@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O24JN-0007As-Nm; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:34 -0700 Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17sf126668gwb.16 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=V4mkwYdqgzFO/BYqFAC5qfhSVZpGAZ8vSn7F7vZYoRk=; b=DHCRLdg56bg4Tmkmf2nZ/0skQkNSse1Ifpkm1SbHODS+zrdtF3d0qbZb/ls3okKIdw g++vaF6JIim2OYo321jdrvfk6F9eMh2jKb8X38xYUr6mjrQwe8rHEH3obDjbHWRESTMB +uoVyddg7lIZmP+IeZE1SCM1FFOb3t/ZvH708= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RMnrXP8zDBPh1r1RmfPM7zFamIYNPP0LV/kRIjTyHVsuJq4IrQnnaJwV/T0YoQoyE3 8aXLGHG/w1LtAT0eyNWFrQJNoisXXcl2v9Ek+KURnYc/3G1RPhjSCU4ehl5TJicwImO8 yNGN9knnd2Iuu/lAhv9iu1ZNxznX1CZl0vk/4= Received: by 10.91.90.12 with SMTP id s12mr1245645agl.7.1271258109821; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.69.6 with SMTP id m6ls289462wed.1.p; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.86.145 with SMTP id w17mr279721wee.20.1271258105709; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.86.145 with SMTP id w17mr279720wee.20.1271258105671; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f194.google.com (mail-qy0-f194.google.com [209.85.221.194]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h17si529332wbh.1.2010.04.14.08.15.04; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.194; Received: by mail-qy0-f194.google.com with SMTP id 32so246291qyk.12 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.39.197 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BC27C9E.2040306@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:15:03 -0400 Received: by 10.229.233.199 with SMTP id jz7mr286057qcb.56.1271258104025; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Active-stative? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/cdf18777732f3c27 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/6449b6f9ef963d21 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's one I've thought about. Is there any more meaning to "xe ciska fu mi" more than "mi ciska"? I deliberately brought in a conversion to a place that doesn't nominally exist, but then ignored it. However does the mere fact of converting it bring it into some sort of quasi-existence, despite it not being defined? My intuition would be that it's equivalent to "mi ciska do'e zo'e", but even then, I don't know if that's meaningful. Aside: a lojban haiku, specifically written 'cause I know stela likes jbopemci: lo ko selsne cu cripu fi lo prulamdei ro lo bavlamdei --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.