From 33eHFSwoJBtA5577w8x4wE28w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 14 08:40:39 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f141.google.com ([209.85.210.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <33eHFSwoJBtA5577w8x4wE28w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O24hb-0001OF-JX; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:39 -0700 Received: by yxe5 with SMTP id 5sf158149yxe.2 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lKZJ2fkJjqbVKa1Tfnzpf+xT/QIpz+lyWcF9U1zNVr0=; b=G0cQPevbd19ZR5lSO/oJ9/BpUzn3IFhUzyxX5JOZ4+BGg74PdYI5eUekm71znVKI/a 0lOsjSVtGuknCCv7jO0T93msorGe+aeAIGz5RIpTJoUtVFgG+5bsEw9UPsJeBmQgD6fN 2nf80Ost+OefgKugOdSlJrmEVn6rK2PhEANtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=eVrxBVfg/+8jzbJtAhqC+4gi+ytFocanNT9/LPyL01H35HiWCTCiNu547yitmZNlCt 72DaWDXcnDWQUG2gh3+EjdGGpuqm7pEBR++igZcTFs0FH/mEZxNHKVsAAs2fcSR0B7Ut FihJ4TlPncMELgxrApPMU0yjRRHguXBlNoNc4= Received: by 10.150.173.19 with SMTP id v19mr354597ybe.64.1271259613128; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.222 with SMTP id v72ls296421wen.3.p; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.89.84 with SMTP id b62mr279931wef.17.1271259610909; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.89.84 with SMTP id b62mr279929wef.17.1271259610872; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f203.google.com (mail-qy0-f203.google.com [209.85.221.203]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n31si555102wbc.0.2010.04.14.08.40.09; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.203 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.203; Received: by mail-qy0-f203.google.com with SMTP id 42so286163qyk.7 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BC27C9E.2040306@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:40:09 -0300 Received: by 10.224.27.150 with SMTP id i22mr2709308qac.183.1271259609239; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Active-stative? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.203 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/cdf18777732f3c27 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/5771310ebfb8c0dd Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0Here's one I've thought about. =A0Is there any more meaning to "xe > ciska fu mi" =A0more than "mi ciska"? =A0I deliberately brought in a > conversion to a place that doesn't nominally exist, but then ignored > it. Or even "se blanu ti", which doesn't even need FA. If those were common, one may have an argument for ergative-absolutive alignment, although I think the fact that one needs a conversion still makes it a weak argument. >=A0However does the mere fact of converting it bring it into some > sort of quasi-existence, despite it not being defined? =A0My intuition > would be that it's equivalent to "mi ciska do'e zo'e", but even then, > I don't know if that's meaningful. I think I'm happy with "se blanu ti" meaning exactly the same as "ti blanu"= . mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.