From 3AUq1SwgJBkwus7.25s1u0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 18:46:30 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f164.google.com ([209.85.222.164]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3AUq1SwgJBkwus7.25s1u0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxVxp-0005kr-Ia for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:46:30 -0700 Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36sf450330pzk.24 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:46:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ccfsJDvuJpaBFyaXOhSx9+Em/h8pgvyZW69QXhavrh0=; b=Eqxhar8gHSdBPAa60cr+Ri8X/KTCxMIr8VlUTwYPIMfO6ORGOfLsO51vIqus1Tf6le BN8gJkuuFnSFCBGURY/W8xq5krc4QMTo2DjkVbltlF6pEEpHDFinGhPsGK+4SyZbAtdM 6cP29W3cHe9b/zm6agcLQdRldQlN2A+n8EE3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=iP0qMhwJXHUsmMog2dw7/51BRSpWr+qDfGhPJD2+NqRv1phYF0ehwnk4TpGwgpjFSk X7vm6siKmQmI6SKO8gbeqr9/PT1B8uY+CcL/SYbtW1QrcDQndxfRtb1tGvjp2GvKmfba D8x0cL4cZ+pRN7tgMQT90RXTv9cyECEJXXo3E= Received: by 10.142.250.34 with SMTP id x34mr43429wfh.36.1270172161359; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.23 with SMTP id 23ls461826wfb.3.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.67.32 with SMTP id p32mr225406wfa.21.1270172159302; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.67.32 with SMTP id p32mr225405wfa.21.1270172159286; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f42.google.com (mail-pw0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1854225pzk.0.2010.04.01.18.35.58; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.42; Received: by mail-pw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 8so773490pwi.29 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.109.10 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:35:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Oren Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:35:38 +0800 Received: by 10.142.5.25 with SMTP id 25mr623052wfe.78.1270172158094; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] So what do we say for Swedish? (was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b129fc8b50c3d194 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Lojban day-to-day: What do we say for Sweden and Swedish? sweden: { gugde la .sy .ebu } swedish: { bangu la .sy .vy } My serious suggestion has been to spell out the names of the ISO standards. Lojban claims to be culturally neutral and then decides to forgo the worlds largest standards-making body, an international non-government organization with a mission of consensus-based decision-making... can we do it better? Should we try? What I mean is, leave these decisions up to the professionals, lojbanists have more awesome things to be doing. Lojban should be about using lojban, not krokodili cultural omphaloskepsis in the name of 'neutrality' ...no solution is absolutely neutral. co'o mi'e korbi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.