From 3ZT3GSwcJBrQYsYihomagUcf.WigfidVUhaiiafYaliojm.Wig@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 14 15:11:11 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f143.google.com ([209.85.211.143]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3ZT3GSwcJBrQYsYihomagUcf.WigfidVUhaiiafYaliojm.Wig@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2AnY-0006Sh-Ib; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:11:10 -0700 Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7sf340450ywh.26 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=b/wweoVwYIIiH1pZagEXd+XDpUoYRpWpDk6Rz2Qxbdo=; b=izfAdJnQSVC+Kz0sUOCANLm/TlQ7ofiJZHzMLlPvsht5uyZmvTSBOPuJXR1RaM5nij yiJ63MES3K148kRi8X7ils2xisiQozMKVOt+562+4w+AJl8tvxxAHJ5gYhq8pbC9imjH ZFpu2X96cioqHE3PmYUMx8JsGWAkdOv455H10= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Ofre7XnOnKWiAx1Xt7+YhB6m9wToX5tCiaUBhIn7on58i0E03rp1j6jqP1wmhMXTVf iXqvbsGMR9240F3whCNWwOwtvm6yu/aFL5rLhGfkL0kaIgoCys14JDRscUwoT/OMDXRa MsVGfCsqc6BlFYTeeTivUxGfSNMwMEVW2BjqQ= Received: by 10.101.138.35 with SMTP id q35mr300133ann.66.1271283046407; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.222 with SMTP id v72ls385015wen.3.p; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.186.138 with SMTP id w10mr329000wem.12.1271283043665; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.186.138 with SMTP id w10mr328999wem.12.1271283043626; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n31si944045wbc.0.2010.04.14.15.10.42; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.42; Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so123155wwf.29 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:10:42 -0600 Received: by 10.216.157.212 with SMTP id o62mr5476627wek.41.1271283042144; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] pseudo-gismu in la alis From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/8b333d4e022eea1 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/1ad275354c20cf47 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6563aba22d394048439a649 --0016e6563aba22d394048439a649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is the majority cause for these errors; intentional, accidental, or caused by gismu change? 2010/4/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : > > I sorted the words in la alis (at > > http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/alice/alice.pdf ) and came up > with > > the following gismu-shaped words that aren't in my jbovlaste-based > > dictionary. The page numbers are those given in the text, not the pdf > page > > number. Some of these may be deliberate, but any deviation from standar= d > > Lojban should be noted in the document. > > So, are these words deliberate, and if not, what should they be? > > Only "gumri" and "nuzlo" are deliberate, the rest are typos. > > > 1) clanu 1 ?clani=3Dlong? > > "slanu" (cylinder) > > > 2) damre 1 ?damri=3Ddrum?/?danre=3Dpress= ure? > > "danre" > > > 3) dorni 1 ?donri=3Ddaytime? > > Yes. > > > 4) genra 1 ?gerna=3Dgrammar? > > "gendra" > > > 5) gumri 5 ?[later I found this to be > > 'mushroom', an unofficial gismu] > > Yes. > > > 6) jetfu 1 ?jeftu=3Dweek? > > Yes. > > > 7) jivni 5 > ?jivna=3Dcompete?/?jinvi=3Dopine? > > First 4 are "jivna", last 1 is "jinvi". > > > 8) jukpe 1 ?jukpa=3Dcook? > > Yes. > > > 9) krica 2 > ?krici=3Dbelieve?/?kruca=3Dintersect? > > "krixa" (cry out) both times. > > > 10) nuzlo 1 ?New Zealand? (experimental > gismu?) > > Yes. > > > 11) pajna 1 ?pajni=3Djudge?/?pacna=3Dh= ope? > > "pacna". > > > 12) pikca 1 ?pikci=3Dbeg? > > Yes. > > > 13) sarju 3 ?sarji=3Dsupport? > > Yes, all three. > > > 14) smaci 1 > ?smacu=3Dmouse?/?smuci=3Dspoon?/?smaji=3Dquiet? > > "smaji" > > > 15) spudu 1 ?spuda=3Dreply?/?sputu=3Dsp= it? > > "spuda" > > > 16) sukta 1 ?suksa=3Dsudden? > > "sakta" (sugar) > > > 17) titpa 1 ?titla=3Dsweet?/?tikpa=3D= kick? > > "tatpi" (tired) > > > 18) tordi 1 ?tordu=3Dshort?/?torni=3D= twist? > > "tordu" > > > 19) tulji 1 ?tujli=3Dtulip? > > Yes. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e6563aba22d394048439a649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is the majority cause for these errors; intentional, accidental, or ca= used by gismu change?

2010/4/14 Jorge Lla= mb=EDas <jjlla= mbias@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> I sorted the words in la alis (at
> http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/alice/alice.pdf=A0) and came up with
> the following gismu-shaped words that aren't in my jbovlaste-based=
> dictionary. The page numbers are those given in the text, not the pdf = page
> number. Some of these may be deliberate, but any deviation from standa= rd
> Lojban should be noted in the document.
> So, are these words deliberate, and if not, what should they be?

Only "gumri" and "nuzlo" are deliberate, the rest= are typos.

> 1) clanu=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?clani=3Dlong?

"slanu" (cylinder)

> 2) damre=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?damri=3Ddrum?/?danre=3Dpressure?

"danre"

> 3) dorni=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?donri=3Ddaytime?

Yes.

> 4) genra=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?gerna=3Dgrammar?

"gendra"

> 5) gumri=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 5=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?[later I found this to be
> 'mushroom', an unofficial gismu]

Yes.

> 6) jetfu=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?jeftu=3Dweek?

Yes.

> 7) jivni=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 5=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?jivna=3Dcompete?/?jinvi=3Dopine= ?

First 4 are "jivna", last 1 is "jinvi".

> 8) jukpe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?jukpa=3Dcook?

Yes.

> 9) krica=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?krici=3Dbelieve?/?kruca=3Dintersec= t?

"krixa" (cry out) both times.

> 10) nuzlo=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?New Zealand? (experimental gismu?)=

Yes.

> 11) pajna=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?pajni=3Djudge?/?pacna=3Dhope?
"pacna".

> 12) pikca=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?pikci=3Dbeg?

Yes.

> 13) sarju=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 3=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?sarji=3Dsupport?

Yes, all three.

> 14) smaci=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?smacu=3Dmouse?/?smuci=3Dspoon?/?sm= aji=3Dquiet?

"smaji"

> 15) spudu=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?spuda=3Dreply?/?sputu=3Dspit?

"spuda"

> 16) sukta=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?suksa=3Dsudden?

"sakta" (sugar)

> 17) titpa=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?titla=3Dsweet?/?tikpa=3Dkick= ?

"tatpi" (tired)

> 18) tordi=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?tordu=3Dshort?/?torni=3Dtwis= t?

"tordu"

> 19) tulji=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?tujli=3Dtulip?

Yes.

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