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The page numbers are those given in the text, not the pdf > page > > number. Some of these may be deliberate, but any deviation from standar= d > > Lojban should be noted in the document. > > So, are these words deliberate, and if not, what should they be? > > Only "gumri" and "nuzlo" are deliberate, the rest are typos. > > > 1) clanu 1 ?clani=3Dlong? > > "slanu" (cylinder) > > > 2) damre 1 ?damri=3Ddrum?/?danre=3Dpress= ure? > > "danre" > > > 3) dorni 1 ?donri=3Ddaytime? > > Yes. > > > 4) genra 1 ?gerna=3Dgrammar? > > "gendra" > > > 5) gumri 5 ?[later I found this to be > > 'mushroom', an unofficial gismu] > > Yes. > > > 6) jetfu 1 ?jeftu=3Dweek? > > Yes. > > > 7) jivni 5 > ?jivna=3Dcompete?/?jinvi=3Dopine? > > First 4 are "jivna", last 1 is "jinvi". > > > 8) jukpe 1 ?jukpa=3Dcook? > > Yes. > > > 9) krica 2 > ?krici=3Dbelieve?/?kruca=3Dintersect? > > "krixa" (cry out) both times. > > > 10) nuzlo 1 ?New Zealand? (experimental > gismu?) > > Yes. > > > 11) pajna 1 ?pajni=3Djudge?/?pacna=3Dh= ope? > > "pacna". > > > 12) pikca 1 ?pikci=3Dbeg? > > Yes. > > > 13) sarju 3 ?sarji=3Dsupport? > > Yes, all three. > > > 14) smaci 1 > ?smacu=3Dmouse?/?smuci=3Dspoon?/?smaji=3Dquiet? > > "smaji" > > > 15) spudu 1 ?spuda=3Dreply?/?sputu=3Dsp= it? > > "spuda" > > > 16) sukta 1 ?suksa=3Dsudden? > > "sakta" (sugar) > > > 17) titpa 1 ?titla=3Dsweet?/?tikpa=3D= kick? > > "tatpi" (tired) > > > 18) tordi 1 ?tordu=3Dshort?/?torni=3D= twist? > > "tordu" > > > 19) tulji 1 ?tujli=3Dtulip? > > Yes. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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.i ki'e doi xorxes
mu'o mi'e stevon

2010/4/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> I = sorted the words in la alis (at
> http://www.lojban.org/t= exts/translations/alice/alice.pdf=A0) and came up with
> the following gismu-shaped words that aren't in my jbovlaste-based=
> dictionary. The page numbers are those given in the text, not the = pdf page
> number. Some of these may be deliberate, but any deviation= from standard
> Lojban should be noted in the document.
> So, are these words de= liberate, and if not, what should they be?

Only "gumri&qu= ot; and "nuzlo" are deliberate, the rest are typos.

> 1) clanu=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?clani=3Dlo= ng?

"slanu" (cylinder)

> 2) damre=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?damri=3Ddrum?/?d= anre=3Dpressure?

"danre"

> 3) dorni=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?donri=3Dda= ytime?

Yes.

> 4) genra=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?gerna=3Dgr= ammar?

"gendra"

> 5) gumri=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 5=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?[later I foun= d this to be
> 'mushroom', an unofficial gismu]

= Yes.

> 6) jetfu=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?jeftu= =3Dweek?

Yes.

> 7) jivni=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 5=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?jivna= =3Dcompete?/?jinvi=3Dopine?

First 4 are "jivna", las= t 1 is "jinvi".

> 8) jukpe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?jukpa=3Dcook?=

Yes.

> 9) krica=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?krici=3Dbe= lieve?/?kruca=3Dintersect?

"krixa" (cry out) both ti= mes.

> 10) nuzlo=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?New Zealand? = (experimental gismu?)

Yes.

> 11) pajna=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?pajni=3Dju= dge?/?pacna=3Dhope?

"pacna".

> 12) pikca=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?pikci=3Dbe= g?

Yes.

> 13) sarju=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 3=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?sarji= =3Dsupport?

Yes, all three.

> 14) smaci=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?smacu=3Dmouse= ?/?smuci=3Dspoon?/?smaji=3Dquiet?

"smaji"

> 15) spudu=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?spuda=3Dreply= ?/?sputu=3Dspit?

"spuda"

> 16) sukta=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?suksa=3Dsu= dden?

"sakta" (sugar)

> 17) titpa=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?titla= =3Dsweet?/?tikpa=3Dkick?

"tatpi" (tired)

> 18) tordi=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?tordu= =3Dshort?/?torni=3Dtwist?

"tordu"

> 19) tulji=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ?tujl= i=3Dtulip?

Yes.

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