From 3orzGSw0JBnEaXcSPgiWTQPgSnPWdd.RdbadYQPcVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 15 00:14:02 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3orzGSw0JBnEaXcSPgiWTQPgSnPWdd.RdbadYQPcVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2JGu-0006pl-Vw; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:14:02 -0700 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf446995gwb.16 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rNczTGkKT4KRq6nr9wp6ZUwSX09t9QzpCqjzEuRZ0tw=; b=AMjQZXdNEH6RZabykFsA0XccqObRMiiGTeWm1GePJ/e3KlymOUaRAFZQnW8+gloWhN zXeHYQIKYwuFu1P1l+z80hEWAAxwSKyF6eKpAPtqVYXWEDTaF+ybEcL8TdwuIKTqQ3Y3 sBEBrAJGwQkwxg1gTVn/+qufXDw8/9Xr4Hr4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=SWBJ0Ud9lF+yUngkKnvfJqUT/7D1vO68zTXHl+vX4TXR4H1b6qhc8hUB2uwm9riOY9 xwoLypxAYT7SpJG2dT74fIn69rb/2cnteEfu11B8T0uosC7au/1D+hzXhDdyrek/wSUt 2SwtGleIKJDD0fklXv7NZzZL1Y/rfqjh8byJg= Received: by 10.91.93.4 with SMTP id v4mr1440168agl.6.1271315618520; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6ls183995agl.0.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.27.37 with SMTP id e37mr4560172agj.9.1271315617075; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.27.37 with SMTP id e37mr4560171agj.9.1271315617036; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f164.google.com (mail-yx0-f164.google.com [209.85.210.164]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si80992yxe.12.2010.04.15.00.13.37; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.164 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lindarthebard@yahoo.com) client-ip=209.85.210.164; Received: by yxe36 with SMTP id 36so558029yxe.12 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by z6g2000yqz.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100407053428.GA9239@digitalkingdom.org> X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <20100407053428.GA9239@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100401 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.5.9,gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.101.165.19 with SMTP id s19mr323914ano.19.1271315616968; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0b44ea18-b1a9-42c4-9e2e-ad2b5d19af23@z6g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Request For Help; non-urgent research request to help Lojban. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: My absolutely fantastic idea that donri/kribacr started and never finished (or never even started, but definitely came up before I thought of it [but it's still my idea]) is/was/will be to have groups of people select topics, and then go through and come up with as many words related to that topic as possible. I got this idea one day as I was sticking masking tape to pretty much everything around my apartment and writing the Lojban word for it in sharpie. I came across the simple fact that jvs didn't have words for "pot", "kitchen", "frying pan", etc., so I came up with words for them, and I think at least "kitchen" (jupku'a) is up there. I tried this again with computer terminology and it completely failed as nobody could agree properly on things (like "window", on which I still harshly/ obnoxiously/rudely/insultingly disagree with xorxes). [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 X_IP Message has X-IP header 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is freemail (lindarthebard[at]yahoo.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.6 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.6 URG_BIZ BODY: Contains urgent matter -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0065] 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature My absolutely fantastic idea that donri/kribacr started and never finished (or never even started, but definitely came up before I thought of it [but it's still my idea]) is/was/will be to have groups of people select topics, and then go through and come up with as many words related to that topic as possible. I got this idea one day as I was sticking masking tape to pretty much everything around my apartment and writing the Lojban word for it in sharpie. I came across the simple fact that jvs didn't have words for "pot", "kitchen", "frying pan", etc., so I came up with words for them, and I think at least "kitchen" (jupku'a) is up there. I tried this again with computer terminology and it completely failed as nobody could agree properly on things (like "window", on which I still harshly/ obnoxiously/rudely/insultingly disagree with xorxes). Rather than having one person sit through some big gehorsenshitfesten (parden my German) trying to pick out the most common concepts in the universe, why don't we use the wiki idea and create "conversational categories" under which we can place words (probably a lot of fu'ivla and lujvo) relevant to the topic. This will generate a much larger and relevant body of information, and it's a -much- less daunting task. For example, I am a recording engineer, so I would be likely to start a "recording technology" topic, and possibly contribute to the "music" topic as I would be more likely than anybody else to need/use words like "Hertz"/"kHz", "microphone", "nearfield monitors", "synthesizer", "MIDI", "mixing console", "bass", "treble", and I would probably be more qualified to determine what kind of terminology in Lojban is the most suitable. I'd also be fairly interested in the "kitchen and cooking" topic, and I think a great many a newbie would be very interested in the "household objects" topic, which would probably include a pointer to the "kitchen and cooking" topic and maybe even a "bathroom and hygiene" topic. This way people find what interests them and contribute to topics that they enjoy, which doesn't necessarily give an accurate picture of common usage based on an average through world cultures, but definitely gives a good sampling of words to use in conversation for the types of conversation that people learning Lojban would have. It works as a double edged sword (of handiness) in that we have people that are going to enjoy working because they're learning how to talk about things that interest them by contributing (which means things are more likely to get added, being that it's fun and not a chore) -AND- that we have quick 'topic reference' dictionaries so you can just leave the list open and peak through to make it easier to carry on conversations about what an arse your government leader is without having to poke through a list for ten minutes while the conversation has already passed because you wanted a word for "idiot" and jvs only had "stupid" as a gloss word for tolmencre. (Bad example, you get the picture.) Perhaps we can quickly brainstorm a few major topics just to have something up on a wiki? household items kitchen and cooking bathroom and hygiene sports and spectating automotive and driving computer ((hot topic, prone to arguments)) music politics and law school and education work and the workplace friends and family The idea would be to have a big list of topics (and possibly subtopics), and on the pages of each we have brief glosses with Lojban words, with links to a page detailing the place structure, examples of usage, actual usage example if available, and potentially a relevant image (for those that learn by seeing and not reading). Perhaps under "household items" is "garage", and on the page for that it includes a little link for "see section: automotive and driving", and perhaps even "garage" is also located under "automotive and driving" or somesuch. Neatonifty idea, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.