From 3Ne_GSwAABjcehcUTgZhhZeXZkhnil.Vhf@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 15 03:49:51 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Ne_GSwAABjcehcUTgZhhZeXZkhnil.Vhf@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2Mdl-00039Z-6z; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:50 -0700 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf548089gwb.16 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-virus-scanned:received:received :message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ucGbs28cqVASM+GNgJfl36RUpVyBsNKb8Ek0UeGr2nU=; b=p7ggLCg/YDfQTvl1d9B9WYoH8Ng+7unUsiRbTiwVPNMHELiqY9NKk/pr0t6RI0Mlbt 5URvt0s3lbowiz1P2fq1gR1bimULZXAmkmdWwcLEcJbw11fzS4EE76+diRxejVPF76lN KN5ChPtRAwDYhew58FJHx2JwGH9IzO2CQa5Fk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=SBndzZ8P335vv9/5/gM1/NxyVY/pdEKfSahzWUYETNprpwu8VyiNMSVA2Sm/zYndDU guRO/jqF+OOCjw4Qn9ssJHNj61XdpxtwVVk6avxCzmaI52eOU7uGq5+WJ1Ocz6hciLTy Mhfi1qLxafDjAOpuvP+RKwETpY6nUK83XBHKk= Received: by 10.91.91.11 with SMTP id t11mr27152agl.58.1271328566030; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.70.78 with SMTP id c14ls249064ebj.2.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.74.16 with SMTP id s16mr848403ebj.29.1271328563460; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.74.16 with SMTP id s16mr848402ebj.29.1271328563423; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (mail.wybt.net [195.191.196.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si95025ewy.13.2010.04.15.03.49.23; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) client-ip=195.191.196.3; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B3848567 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Te7jqh-fiil9 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.106] (p4FE44DA8.dip.t-dialin.net [79.228.77.168]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AFAB484AE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4BC6EF1A.10504@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:48:58 +0200 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Should I propose an experimental cmavo? (was non-urgent research request to help Lojban.) References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) smtp.mail=timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/11427b65e505cce7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oren wrote: > { .i ju'i mi klama } "Hey listen up, I'm going." > This means "hey, me, listen! something's going/coming.". You want to put a do'e there. > { .i ju'inai mi klama } "Don't pay attention [to me saying this], I'm going." > Same thing. > What I want to say, however, is approximately: > > "Recall, I'm going." or "Remember, I'm going." or, "I'm going, ya know!" > ...meaning I'm reminding you that I'm going. It's important that you > (the listener) know this; "Don't forget." > "Never mind me going." or "Forget about me going." or, "Whatever, I'm going." > ...meaning I'm anti-reminding you. It's not important that you know > this. "Forget about it/ never mind." > Why not {to ko morji toi}? Or even {sei mi mojgau}? > P.S. I think I may be proposing an experimental BAI cmavo soon for > this term. Even in isolation it could be a useful term: we already are > accustomed to "never mind" in English. The complimentary "don't > forget" meaning of the word would fill in a gap in English that makes > dialogue like this example more ambiguous than it needs to be: > I don't think a BAI would fit this. You may mean UI or COI? > "I'd imagine that if we had a "reminder/exhortation" cmavo, putting a nai on it > would mean something like "forget about it/never mind," another pretty > common phrase... how do we say these things in Lojbanistan?" > I personally would have just used ju'i, TBH. mu'o mi'e timos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.