From 3BkLHSwYKBlsEHC434EHC43G.HK9EHC43G9HH9E79KHNIL.5HF@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 15 09:43:16 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3BkLHSwYKBlsEHC434EHC43G.HK9EHC43G9HH9E79KHNIL.5HF@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2S9h-0005MD-2k; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:43:14 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf907064gyd.16 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=18VoEeKIa2CLZOaVPdy6gIcAB0VtTsxxcsGBgZAed/s=; b=1T6LvRcPbSu01fI91yYQ+jRzcT9TCJPbR2dr9WxTZdCh2AjMETjDQJTNBMi03TsNNn Kds7C2ai+pMyQeew6j38+cAIPra/P4vqAil9YaqMKcAo+rsfVoVaeKyh3Q4rkSqhLFcf 4klWLalaBsfw5uC7cE+jIWnwH8JG0xgDe63DE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GMEEdbXKsE3TTmsUTegTPL2QPQLKLCMZ5bnXt6B3/ZtAzyMdFdxkkh0E6kP76WvBZg tvXOoT7ZYcyLMPky8GA1rXMTFG61CFKbez4bE7r+2COdrYX9x9zJmX8vtlgb5dknvIGb lSL3wk3e/s1qAaXNKFM8IplUaajSSqcHJM/KM= Received: by 10.91.181.11 with SMTP id i11mr129780agp.0.1271349766221; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.216.14 with SMTP id o14ls228862agg.5.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.58.18 with SMTP id l18mr206390agk.1.1271349764319; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.58.18 with SMTP id l18mr206389agk.1.1271349764277; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si118820yxe.4.2010.04.15.09.42.44; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.9; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100415164244.GTHW27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:42:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5sii1e00K2hfrC602sij6j; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:42:43 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lL4dQe6A0XfTYzqIbzpq/h+TkgPEjAvcHnuEPneVQrQ= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=yog9uJGy30ExhaEKu3AA:9 a=75zEdju7bKQzlofZgncA:7 a=-SXZd2W51MoXgMCZzYbHhJndkNcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BC741FF.30708@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:42:39 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4a02d723-a934-434a-b626-0a3a9fbf803f@u22g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/98ad7c3a295bad12 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > You don't need to worry about any of this in order to use the > language, but surely there is no harm in people discussing these > things? If they are talking is Lojban, probably not. If they are talking in=20 English, especially with you involved, some will see the discussion as=20 "xorlo mod 2" and then people will be asking Robin on IRC "Are you using=20 xorlo mod 2 or xorlo mod 1?". That was why, ages back, I had no trouble with And Rosta setting up=20 jboske as a list for such discussions as people talking about how Lojban=20 could be more logical than it is, and about improvements appropriate for=20 LoCCan3. Experimental cmavo are kinda the border ground between the two. It=20 doesn't necessarily harm the existing language to propose a new cmavo,=20 put THAT is where the "let usage decide" is supposed to come in. If=20 people are unwilling to start using an experimental cmavo without it=20 being prescribed, it probably isn't necessary, or at least not=20 appreciated. And it likely won't be appreciated with people seeing it=20 in use and contrasted with the language without. Even then, the people=20 who need to see it as an "improvement" will be those who actually use=20 the language, which is why discussing it in Lojban is a strong plus. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.