From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDS3p_eBBoEuI9WrA@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 15 22:02:35 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2dhF-0000hS-MX; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:35 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf1162464ywh.28 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AjU81nEQMtyEBQDj09Ri8eApc5++sh75qCCFp4UvpHI=; b=Ud0AGXk/pQjXu6qCz7Q9pbSHWsFgpUjZyCvHdqJ+zsljG1+XbHcyZuLI3aRMyWEHSe aOjvwyYsVs98pRerTqKx+QRJ/dcWgVRd5K+HG6WDMxLtR/P36sd6v7W2O/B3kl+7Sh4n 4Kpffzfr+TDJe53pBbxIfFBTRqIwaEfZrka6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=v30m/sUIxfDYh23MguwREeE4R16Rf6Wrq/wSd1TlzZC8E8XtapLLfh9N+Ef9io9znd xYBF+sWBjHR6TB86sMech8ZPTZGRPtruevxwyDBXGXUBYOxHea+LEqKr/tbUTnMZ+2PF J5eIDsAuQ8tFpDkjJjb/2sA0oBgwGz7KuqLro= Received: by 10.91.209.13 with SMTP id l13mr277216agq.47.1271394130258; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.67.25 with SMTP id u25ls776428agk.7.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.110.12 with SMTP id n12mr501002agm.12.1271394129513; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.110.12 with SMTP id n12mr501001agm.12.1271394129478; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f192.google.com (mail-gy0-f192.google.com [209.85.160.192]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si236931gxk.4.2010.04.15.22.02.09; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.192 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lindarthebard@yahoo.com) client-ip=209.85.160.192; Received: by mail-gy0-f192.google.com with SMTP id 13so1179058gyg.9 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <164122aa-9e20-4646-addd-06783934df42@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 32.172.180.226 References: <20100407053428.GA9239@digitalkingdom.org> <0b44ea18-b1a9-42c4-9e2e-ad2b5d19af23@z6g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> <4BC74B22.2040308@lojban.org> <164122aa-9e20-4646-addd-06783934df42@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100401 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.5.9,gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.101.11.36 with SMTP id o36mr61886ani.54.1271394129440; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Request For Help; non-urgent research request to help Lojban. 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Content preview: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/conversation+guide This is the initial page, which is meant as a combination pseudo- official pseudo-proposal and starting point for the project. I encourage everybody to start nailing down their favourite topics of discussion (keep in mind the page is in en-uk so spell things correctly!! =P ) so we have a nice big list of what our users like to discuss, and once we have an idea of that, we can start fleshing out these pages, pulling everything useful that we can from jvs, and documenting everything that we -don't- have so we can start efforts to develop vocabulary for these areas of discussion. 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I encourage everybody to start nailing down their favourite topics of discussion (keep in mind the page is in en-uk so spell things correctly!! =P ) so we have a nice big list of what our users like to discuss, and once we have an idea of that, we can start fleshing out these pages, pulling everything useful that we can from jvs, and documenting everything that we -don't- have so we can start efforts to develop vocabulary for these areas of discussion. I think it's ridiculous that we didn't have a word for 'kitchen' (or at least a documented one) up until recently, though because of this very reason it doesn't surprise me that we have between zero and one- half full-time speakers. How can anybody use this as a home language when we don't have any words for anything around said home? Once we have a larger body of language and a guide to it, we'll have a larger body of citable conversation, and then we can adequately develop a dictionary based on frequently used fu'ivla and lujvo because we'll actually have more than five people in the entire world speaking strictly in Lojban. (Please ignore my gross exaggerations, I'm simply illustrating a point.) Please feel free to rend this project in twain, completely rewrite the page, and reinvent everything entirely. The point is not to do everything exactly how I want, but to have a fun project that will encourage people to not only develop the large body of vocabulary that we're so obviously missing, but to USE IT once it's there and have a simple way to find it. So, if anybody has a better idea of how to accomplish that, by all means boot my idea aside and let's do it, but jvs is definitely not doing the trick right now (IMHO). Leo and Oren, thank you for your words of enthusiasm. I look forward to seeing what ideas spring forth. Bob, thank you for your words of wisdom, caution, and various Roman characters that sorta blend together to almost look like words. I'm sure with your background and history you can suggest a great number of words for vocabulary and guide the process with what you've learned from working with Lojban for as long as you have. So, let's see how this turns out, eh? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.