From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCq5Z_eBBoEKDWdsA@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 15 22:16:52 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2dv3-0001mj-4S; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:50 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf1166013ywh.28 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V14ZMRuGjxHdjuMm4Ha6hFil6vsWusH1Y3fbBUXOFX8=; b=u4H6mH+DPRhYLMQja8HrbYwdbxcLiZPO/DoanVvhRyNJzLWW9UFt+eGBYnRqZBJKTf G+mp79pDDijeAcqSQlq//UTcuUZ+f/zjWeFT7yyo+SqSXyJHIBP0O+3ixJVwI75XbUu/ Q03V20d7/UNCvLKqdCXBkLAM72ZDOtl3afj9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rMTwnbQSkw5YP4A0+YXKY6H4eEQADz8g/MVudOwzMUqWMnlo/WWRXsTJ2yHFcJvzL/ guZeBPmphmVzUhefNiXBkQyTK3q8AiQSi99y3llbY9OiKB8B1T7QJShdCEECOGC/gSqW NFEkVel+rOkRECZq3W+DBtDKUV/508g5LdvH8= Received: by 10.91.209.13 with SMTP id l13mr279709agq.47.1271394986781; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6ls839587agl.0.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr493915ago.13.1271394985894; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr493914ago.13.1271394985861; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f153.google.com (mail-yx0-f153.google.com [209.85.210.153]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si158532yxe.1.2010.04.15.22.16.25; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.153 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lindarthebard@yahoo.com) client-ip=209.85.210.153; Received: by yxe17 with SMTP id 17so1294791yxe.22 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7e8430e5-b1c4-477f-92d2-18c49b8d561f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 32.172.180.226 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4a02d723-a934-434a-b626-0a3a9fbf803f@u22g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4BC76B7F.2050000@lojban.org> <7e8430e5-b1c4-477f-92d2-18c49b8d561f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100401 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.5.9,gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.101.180.35 with SMTP id h35mr64691anp.30.1271394985738; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2407ed9a-60f7-40e4-9d71-01e9ddf29737@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.153 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lindarthebard@yahoo.com) smtp.mail=lindarthebard@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I'm annoyed by my inability > to follow discussions due to the technical language surrounding it and > by the fact that we've wasted so much damn time arguing about really > small semantics instead of just making a damn decision and trying it > out. As a follow-up, I realise that I'm more so irritated by the fact that so much time and effort is spent in coming up with really big words and specific English-isms to describe how a Lojban word works, but I think that we're failing to cater to a major market here, namely idiots like myself that don't really follow what "lambda" and "veridical" are or really understand all of the scientific words that the senior jbo-ists throw around like softballs. Rather than gripe about all the little technical details, why don't we come up with a single, stupid, easy, definite answer (for things like "ni" for example)? Rather than gripe about how something was -intended- to be used, just decide on what the best way is to use a word and stick with it. So, long story short, I'm not scared of change, I'm annoyed by delays, indecisiveness, and overcomplicating every little damn thing. For all I care we could change "lo" back to "the only one in the universe" or whatever the hell it meant and we could change the word "djica" to mean "x1 is a pancake that demands x2 hears it roar (utterance) x3 with syrup x4 and flying pig x5" or whatever the hell as long as it makes more sense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.