From lojban+bncCOWOg99KEJOtoN4EGgT2zaaD@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 16 00:50:02 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2gJJ-0006Bo-9V; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:50:01 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf1241195ywh.28 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VgsI9SpVr5EHIo2HXuzf4VeT7vJ14NQz9RDJlsQ2+Qg=; b=iWVgvLsdMQjFRJiMs0UtpVn3w3p6w1RWR7i2W9IQKca+K+h+wGp3P0ViwIWckk7yJH vbQA8JzjogdQBKL7fxxhKl+REHVpjAWKmUYeOErdfiyf4E4Q6GNcWDkkTwPaw9feRV6n AvK07hKQJeT5eVtToUbussunnQ852Eko+hLIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=iVqwIywDvE2ZFjM0c9h2538kA7J22iwv8MA5caM7YBBObOc4fwAbbwb3P7O2eyHbx/ qnvqK3PvmaxdiXF/mEpuIkFnWFZa/1KbcVYUt81YbqkzE0OqUA8Cpnl+urN1lmqnwBMu CSYiyBZqNVIAc4yncj8L8XLnFKz0pnG75HnNg= Received: by 10.150.247.5 with SMTP id u5mr89067ybh.25.1271404179537; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls414905bkd.1.p; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.18.79 with SMTP id v15mr72684bka.35.1271404177737; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.18.79 with SMTP id v15mr72683bka.35.1271404177668; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si428357bwz.3.2010.04.16.00.49.36; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of yoav.nir@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.211 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.211; Received: by mail-bw0-f211.google.com with SMTP id 3so2121173bwz.11 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.195 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2407ed9a-60f7-40e4-9d71-01e9ddf29737@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4a02d723-a934-434a-b626-0a3a9fbf803f@u22g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4BC76B7F.2050000@lojban.org> <7e8430e5-b1c4-477f-92d2-18c49b8d561f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <2407ed9a-60f7-40e4-9d71-01e9ddf29737@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:49:36 +0300 Received: by 10.204.73.165 with SMTP id q37mr1325336bkj.100.1271404176399; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo From: Yoav Nir To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of yoav.nir@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.211 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=yoav.nir@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db66f94cde3a048455dae2 --0016e6db66f94cde3a048455dae2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm with you on that. Here's two examples from jbovlaste: - *gi'e **cmavo **[GIhA]*$gi'e$ logical connective: bridi-tail afterthought and. - *tebau **cmavo cluster **[BAI*]*$tebau$ bangu modal, 3rd place (expression) language expressing ... As a non-linguist, these mean nothing to me. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Lindar wrote: > > > As a follow-up, I realise that I'm more so irritated by the fact that > so much time and effort is spent in coming up with really big words > and specific English-isms to describe how a Lojban word works, but I > think that we're failing to cater to a major market here, namely > idiots like myself that don't really follow what "lambda" and > "veridical" are or really understand all of the scientific words that > the senior jbo-ists throw around like softballs. Rather than gripe > about all the little technical details, why don't we come up with a > single, stupid, easy, definite answer (for things like "ni" for > example)? Rather than gripe about how something was -intended- to be > used, just decide on what the best way is to use a word and stick with > it. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6db66f94cde3a048455dae2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm with you on that. Here's two examples from jbo= vlaste:

gi'e = cmavo [GIhA]$gi'e$ logical connectiv= e: bridi-tail afterthought=A0and.

  • tebau cmavo cluster [BAI*]$tebau$ bangu modal, 3rd place (expression)= language expressing ...


    As a= non-linguist, these mean nothing to me.


    • On Fri, Apr 16, = 2010 at 8:16 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:


    As a follow-up, I realise that I'm more so irritated by the fact = that
    so much time and effort is spent in coming up with really big words
    and specific English-isms to describe how a Lojban word works, but I
    think that we're failing to cater to a major market here, namely
    idiots like myself that don't really follow what "lambda" and=
    "veridical" are or really understand all of the scientific words = that
    the senior jbo-ists throw around like softballs. Rather than gripe
    about all the little technical details, why don't we come up with a
    single, stupid, easy, definite answer (for things like "ni" for example)? Rather than gripe about how something was -intended- to be
    used, just decide on what the best way is to use a word and stick with
    it.

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