From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBDr46DeBBoEW9UUTg@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 16 02:46:44 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2i8E-0007U4-MG; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:44 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf1452264gyd.16 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qMPFWlnHWVVJhJ+6tB8/R7ldZuc1irXHX6Ewb393WB0=; b=yTXeUh6TrnhJzle6BtND+RD03/NclDC6tdMgnuiDJkEWAwvALp6iuZqiR/BivnnGVU OUas35MjpJbzjn2kicims0cAHQa0AOGQfSPCHXPWGdX8uoyjHGXjCzlxZ6JJdeYfC66C 09o1lfLVqrJISEWwTav0f1m2XBJZJQPyhUFFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:x-accept-language :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Duv2b9x1i4mggP+fRBoxdrHXg4srteY7j7R/CXFy0NtfkwrezyMKJ4Gxt2B7rn7p6/ 299h71QPQ/+Uc8Ks2SIUkxXEzNJaAjtE3tu5INUz+/W6gMlGy4jhDJLmWD9roI1MzExN fei6a99uqRx4Ff15+6kjdP9IqojrpLiB1gmok= Received: by 10.91.90.9 with SMTP id s9mr367762agl.13.1271411179879; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.67.25 with SMTP id u25ls1601787agk.7.p; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.58.18 with SMTP id l18mr597654agk.1.1271411178676; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.58.18 with SMTP id l18mr597652agk.1.1271411178626; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si177331yxe.5.2010.04.16.02.46.18; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.46; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100416094619.BKEA18026.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 69mH1e0052hfrC6029mHtP; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:18 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=u9aaE4Pfr0xy9UvPxuh9qFR1i2SV5RyaXjJQawTgqeY= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=lBMQQz32Por15-qxngAA:9 a=K9J8wI8SZwHJvSAp4ST-DREfU5EA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BC831E7.5020806@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:15 -0400 From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4a02d723-a934-434a-b626-0a3a9fbf803f@u22g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4BC76B7F.2050000@lojban.org> <7e8430e5-b1c4-477f-92d2-18c49b8d561f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <2407ed9a-60f7-40e4-9d71-01e9ddf29737@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yoav Nir wrote: > I'm with you on that. Here's two examples from jbovlaste: > > * *gi'e **cmavo **[GIhA]*$gi'e$ logical connective: bridi-tail > afterthought and. > * > > *tebau **cmavo cluster **[BAI*]*$tebau$ bangu modal, 3rd place > (expression) language expressing ... > > > As a non-linguist, these mean nothing to me. They don't mean much to linguists either zo'o They were more or less coded abbreviations for function rather than "definitions" from early on in the language, and were intended to be replaced (compounded by other abbreviations that appear to be internal to jbovlaste). But no one has ever done so. It is the coming up with real definitions for these kinds of words that the BPFK/byfy is tasked with. And the experts have spent years not getting the job done (not always because decisions can't be made, but because dictionary-writing is hard and boring for many), which is why Robin is asking everyone including you to get involved. If you think you know what gi'e or tebau means, go into the wiki and make a stab at it, provide material from CLL if you can, or usage examples from IRC or elsewhere, as support, and make definitions that people like you CAN understand. If everyone in the community does a few, the job will be done fairly quickly. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.