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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Questions about jorne References: <67c00d0e-2eb5-430c-917a-16aebaed7afb@j37g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <67c00d0e-2eb5-430c-917a-16aebaed7afb@j37g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Lindar wrote: > NOTE: Skip to the bottom for the short version. While Oren quoted your post in his reply, he was not replying to you, but rather to Brian Eubanks who posted about his Jorne project. http://jorne.sourceforge.net/ Jorne is not a dictionary, and only vaguely related to a dictionary project, being more akin to the sort of artificial intelligence applications I mentioned a few days ago. It might be possible to explain it in non-technical English you seem to want, I'm not the one to do it. But it involves using Lojban as a tool for exploring data that has been appropriately linked for such exploration. >>A limitless vocabulary? The discussion began because we're trying to >>work up to a 6000 word dictionary... endless additions don't seem >>feasible. > > You seem to be missing some big key here. We are, right now, > documenting vocabulary to be used in common conversation, Jorne would need vocabulary documented to be used in "computer conversation" of a sort. That vocabulary has to be defined in a certain way to be so usable. > Maybe, instead of being pessimistic, you could help the BPFK > translation project or Conversation Guide project so we can actually > have a finished product to use as source-material for a dictionary? =D There are many other projects going on in the Lojban world besides those two. > I think whatever this is that > you're proposing is completely unrelated to the dictionary effort, Almost completely so, but it could certainly make use of any dictionary results, if the dictionary were designed with such application in mind. > so let's drop that idea entirely from the conversation. He posted under a different subject line, indicating that it was a different conversation. > What, EXACTLY, are you suggesting we do with 'jorne', and what is it > meant to accomplish? See the link above (and the links therein), but they use the jargon of computer-language design and AI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_web http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-features/ are two that seemed relevant to Oren's comments, but I won't pretend to fully understand them myself. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.