From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDQobHeBBoEyMyW0Q@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 19 05:47:52 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3qO7-00071U-88; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:51 -0700 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf3734569gwb.16 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qcfn3iB57f6fgYBnRS3X8kKzNRm0y8YX3lB5G2zh/Zs=; b=ojRHAe10XVDMiCC9icnPBT83QftJoPaFR1pcHd9HbmKrkZ+pEtRoUtsjN/7Z1bUQCF qC9fAl8R+MOtATEAsFxZfnFV7FUTywsuAP4AXFahPwyMD+ZhFHE8aVWcozBNGG/e8Dc+ uFYNa0VC6VYcwbIPa07NFPX49jLMgJ9FzJhNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BQ9vW9RFBbai5MJlPaqUZhuZ8YuGUpeI6AFQAaRdnf9A7wfpfneQwpmPDSUEkI+BiM ESrR2T0sBS+RCBgenmCTt1qJw5QIcCsKB4/l4V8o5M6A9mQw+DEwQM4N+tSRshKTmm16 mFtqQMwLjQyXwXdHTA1g6UO6MLjfm3l/MRZ8c= Received: by 10.91.59.20 with SMTP id m20mr1474699agk.10.1271681232951; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.64.79 with SMTP id b57ls4253109wed.2.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.75 with SMTP id g53mr474936wem.5.1271681231254; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.75 with SMTP id g53mr474935wem.5.1271681231182; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com (mail-qy0-f192.google.com [209.85.221.192]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h17si7280572wbh.1.2010.04.19.05.47.09; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.192 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.192; Received: by mail-qy0-f192.google.com with SMTP id 30so3250715qyk.16 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BCC3F23.1000703@gmail.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BC3B98F.5070805@gmail.com> <4BC4B763.6070903@gmail.com> <4BC52345.7010303@gmail.com> <4BC9056F.9040705@gmail.com> <4BCC3F23.1000703@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:47:09 -0300 Received: by 10.229.191.18 with SMTP id dk18mr695796qcb.9.1271681229457; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.192 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:31 AM, And Rosta wrote: > Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 17/04/2010 19:09: >> >> "lo ge broda gi brode" is ungrammatical. "lo gu'e broda gu'i broda" is >> grammatical but it's a tanru, which opens a different can of worms. >> >> We can do "zo'e noi ke'a ge broda gi brode cu brodi", > > I don't remember: can't "zo'e noi ke'a ge broda gi brode" or "zo'e poi ke= 'a > ge broda gi brode" be done with a gadri and a connective (gihek, hek, > whatever)? You introduced "poi'i" for this purpose: lo poi'i (ce'u) ge broda gi brode and I proposed using "seka" for the same: lo seka (ce'u) ge broda gi brode > Setting the particulars of gadri aside, and thinking about (logical) > language in general, generics would be the basic, primitive type, because > they essentially involve identifying the referent by name (e.g. generic > "wine" simply refers to the sense of "wine"). In principle there could be= a > generic gadri that simply points to the sense of the gadri's bridi-tail > complement. That's basically my understanding of "lo", and then "le" and "lo'e" can occasionally be used for more precision, for specific and for (non-specific) generic respectively, except they are normally not needed. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.