From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDF8bHeBBoEouEkyg@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 19 08:38:10 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f162.google.com ([209.85.221.162]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3t2x-000299-7j; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:38:09 -0700 Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34sf9468039qyk.21 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B6bP/+HSPoGP4qyLon9Xi6B9iaskwgIyGLMKSUShqo4=; b=OAMJfWGtEXrV0Io4Eg+wZJ2X9BwTghhgoR0xE2HshzTt/Br+J4HXO+nYCmTwfwz78s Mill+HPlsv4IZaTcaz9lLGz7s9GHmdIl5C2QrtaC0zs0vnIxq0KzUS1FYzj9v/z/lLVm b/I8UWI7lonqo7MyS3VzLdMIDVJoGAJOnTA3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fp6pPDk1ZqtiFFSgfpYrh3syG6RU9l3D9d2V+Nm5I6ixmMQioVrNuJ5tlgjyo6zgy+ hxaSJCPpYZK7JfTFArjOT9CloDXqxAIURjVHF8fJygdKCQ9fNp3Cko5aoQF1KHo01zuR CuzEsa6ZhW3IIGok6zByCP7j8VBtrZ+EKq5Ik= Received: by 10.229.43.91 with SMTP id v27mr329432qce.24.1271691461474; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.50.82 with SMTP id y18ls9493807qcf.1.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.184.19 with SMTP id l19mr3846278anp.28.1271691460157; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.184.19 with SMTP id l19mr3846277anp.28.1271691460117; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id k1si7954127ani.5.2010.04.19.08.37.38; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.121 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.121; Received: (qmail 14009 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2010 15:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <693808.12520.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xyAWtjEVM1kEXjCewzVi40jsArdoKdm7559uUOPcfkz2hLN RhB4HtJRpsCj.ikGh6bFxJnck7PKVImbICjplMoZ7iVnvJ3fh_ZsteFrDoKJ mYPDS1KSanSXL05uAzQEmcjzOrz6pL.OKvZuPRySRrlNuJZGjX1VFo147rtU pgTdM6n62fwJ_oO9BwkIUwBHCpV2Y3b5xC6cxgPz2Hy9oj5VdmJqDqN5JO47 Pu9U2CSr4MjDtV.CzxOCuMQDI.YmCcFQskTlf9aSw6U19SoERoMvOv1ItohF cqh2OfKbEWSbwmC8vELi.RAYmn4jsLjre_1YiUZGJRkX07tbFcBkloi.jRyR xYujmS8f5wTb_PfRvrQlSihGAT7ssx8BYoIgh Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BC3B98F.5070805@gmail.com> <4BC4B763.6070903@gmail.com> <4BC52345.7010303@gmail.com> <4BC9056F.9040705@gmail.com> <4BCC3F23.1000703@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 'lo broda' refers to the sense of 'broda'? I thought it referred to brodas= . And in what way is the sense of a word a generic anything. This seems t= o be a set of rambling category mistakes all over the place. WTF? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 7:47:09 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:31 AM, And Rosta wrote: > Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 17/04/2010 19:09: >> >> "lo ge broda gi brode" is ungrammatical. "lo gu'e broda gu'i broda" is >> grammatical but it's a tanru, which opens a different can of worms. >> >> We can do "zo'e noi ke'a ge broda gi brode cu brodi", > > I don't remember: can't "zo'e noi ke'a ge broda gi brode" or "zo'e poi ke= 'a > ge broda gi brode" be done with a gadri and a connective (gihek, hek, > whatever)? You introduced "poi'i" for this purpose: lo poi'i (ce'u) ge broda gi brode and I proposed using "seka" for the same: lo seka (ce'u) ge broda gi brode > Setting the particulars of gadri aside, and thinking about (logical) > language in general, generics would be the basic, primitive type, because > they essentially involve identifying the referent by name (e.g. generic > "wine" simply refers to the sense of "wine"). In principle there could be= a > generic gadri that simply points to the sense of the gadri's bridi-tail > complement. That's basically my understanding of "lo", and then "le" and "lo'e" can occasionally be used for more precision, for specific and for (non-specific) generic respectively, except they are normally not needed. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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