From 3m1-1SwoJBvsvxrplfkulvjpdlo.frpormedqjrrjohjurxsv.frp@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 20:08:39 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f163.google.com ([209.85.210.163]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3m1-1SwoJBvsvxrplfkulvjpdlo.frpormedqjrrjohjurxsv.frp@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxXFJ-0003Ax-6G for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:38 -0700 Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35sf1539916yxe.24 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=JpR1w+B0lmpoYFEmSKmri05nhjFcpCV1wueFJ1gzcN4=; b=fpjxqnmZR24ZKDVeTKk9l52LdbKHGk/X1Nm6m1dMWAXideoa5JLlCJzt055N9OkXjy XKc4N4FjzW+b+NGPzmUKE27nkU5pXor7B4lqKZuk81lU+Vn3vHf32popGhkoKZyPUvG3 iEdEiZlgoNgfPE/y5LAEHCM10OR319KZvt9LU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZsQn1ar9AE+2RDoiBDM9TS7nXi5FjIrdDDoCx20i6DWx+FYcrk8aE/zcyzihQfN8of e2OHSLyDk677Bubx8vwrYtCTYgZJX8hG2zW7vaiexy444fMcRsCq5QYebLhe9b69Ptj7 6P1NTOBvQaM/Z/+FDnOLGq7xwXScLEnZtvCFY= Received: by 10.101.74.3 with SMTP id b3mr61955anl.1.1270177691491; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6ls367127agl.0.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.49.14 with SMTP id b14mr3314803agk.14.1270177690685; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.49.14 with SMTP id b14mr3314801agk.14.1270177690643; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f170.google.com (mail-gy0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si690584gxk.0.2010.04.01.20.08.09; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.170; Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so814393gyf.29 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201004012236.43061.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201004012236.43061.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Christopher Doty Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:07:49 -0700 Received: by 10.101.129.37 with SMTP id g37mr3628221ann.147.1270177689417; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c8bc4465e2b7aeaf Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c9245dfab74d0483384991 --001636c9245dfab74d0483384991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 19:36, Pierre Abbat wrote: I'd dispense with them unless it's easier to make a type-4 with them. For > instance, from "isiXhosa" I made "sitlosa" (there is nothing resembling a > click in Lojban, so I picked something vaguely similar to the sound). But > for "Nyankore" I'd say "niankore". Similarly, Uw Olkola (an Australian > language closely related to Uw Oykangand) I call "olkola", and Guugu > Yimidhirr could be "iimdiri" (or "bangrjimidiri" for type-3). Are these documented anywhere? The problem with doing this on an ad-hoc basis, as was suggested before, is that without them at least listed somewhere, I'd have no idea whatsoever how to look up "Uw Oykangand" in Lojban, or even if someone had yet coined a term for it. If people seriously want Lojban to take on an international aspect (as I would like to see, especially in the realm of international scholarship) I fail to see how doing this "ad hoc" accomplishes anything except a complete muck of different people using different words. (And, yes, I know this is not at issue right now, while the community is small, but someday, hopefully, there will be a bunch of people using Lojban whom you have never met. Unless the goal of free use is to have Lojban fracture into a whole slew of different dialects, I just don't see how having this continue ad hoc is productive. (It's also kind of weird, because it ends up being first-come, first-served, but that's another issue, I suppose.)) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636c9245dfab74d0483384991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 19:36, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

I'd dispense with them unless it's easier to make a type-4 with the= m. For
instance, from "isiXhosa" I made "sitlosa" (there is no= thing resembling a
click in Lojban, so I picked something vaguely similar to the sound). But for "Nyankore" I'd say "niankore". Similarly, Uw Ol= kola (an Australian
language closely related to Uw Oykangand) I call "olkola", and Gu= ugu
Yimidhirr could be "iimdiri" (or "bangrjimidiri" for ty= pe-3).

Are these documented anywhere? =A0Th= e problem with doing this on an ad-hoc basis, as was suggested before, is t= hat without them at least listed somewhere, I'd have no idea whatsoever= how to look up "Uw Oykangand" in Lojban, or even if someone had = yet coined a term for it. =A0If people seriously want Lojban to take on an = international aspect (as I would like to see, especially in the realm of in= ternational scholarship) I fail to see how doing this "ad hoc" ac= complishes anything except a complete muck of different people using differ= ent words.

(And, yes, I know this is not at issue right now, while= the community is small, but someday, hopefully, there will be a bunch of p= eople using Lojban whom you have never met. =A0Unless the goal of free use = is to have Lojban fracture into a whole slew of different dialects, I just = don't see how having this continue ad hoc is productive. =A0(It's a= lso kind of weird, because it ends up being first-come, first-served, but t= hat's another issue, I suppose.))

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