From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDC6LLeBBoED-g5CA@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 19 12:52:01 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3x0b-0006C4-2m; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:52:00 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf3576503ywh.28 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=i2NZ/zTkhaVJjZorkIwhAuRAZ5OlyJkqFeAtHA2ii8Q=; b=3oFdTpa6bNkIe4RgK74kFBXMbWIN5KvB08M9a9ZYWxKlC3WHc3l8SebLkRGyZ0g14j eiQ8hJHl7RQVRIS4XFx5Zfgsm7/HeyrrRGim6NWwyh1wJV/kcVUreVTge4O70F1++zGk OE518bDIMRVQkNWJz6/abEcDYEcIPBTauqLVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ehPsqvl6yvjzy+LTPegxQu7nxdLcNJ/Cx5Icvskm6ko8TJD7LoX8fOTt4zPtVNSry6 z5vQ8IYgqxMNTw8H+UKrFKSeXsPwBF/njrfxqesn6Cok8NJahus4dVukye4+M6wqM0Ol RmBHHIlQZsypqk5GmcmaSaw74ULZ/i5Xkk/IA= Received: by 10.150.247.5 with SMTP id u5mr464691ybh.70.1271706690914; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.93.13 with SMTP id v13ls8935833ybl.2.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.127.28 with SMTP id z28mr4160923ybc.15.1271706690224; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.127.28 with SMTP id z28mr4160922ybc.15.1271706690200; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 24si439994yxe.9.2010.04.19.12.51.28; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.119; Received: (qmail 61534 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2010 19:51:28 -0000 Message-ID: <669378.60067.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hqijF0wVM1kqTGzDbpnfCdhPe2Ba9cUW4KUFz8wqr.Hpoyc QvqsFIksZuuzzrWjUgb2xQCJ6IVGFjsD3WLf26KJjMwqnG4xJEe9arim.xmF ZmRppWEskiXG_uYAOKZrP8T4zykD22WD6U6NDQlkwxAM0EMNu3mi2GxAizTT XyNa9kjpJgX6NwpYNbmQ.zUZ8w4y69cKb8A00l7eZUG3DEdthMpBDhw1hsKq NGGaUzJozvVVDMeOdO5EoQZp8SQgZD4y.YfHS_DajCeyKN.lVz.qnNnqxUrl 0qe6yAk3Z1qNk498aTuRWv2NHZyV8wzAe3441KTtRnCV3b6TKxsmazlq6zcl rteCM7hOJOQ-- Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BC4B763.6070903@gmail.com> <4BC52345.7010303@gmail.com> <4BC9056F.9040705@gmail.com> <4BCC3F23.1000703@gmail.com> <693808.12520.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm quite clearly in the metalanguage, talking about the referents of w= ords in the object language (which referents are presumed available to the = metalanguage as well). To be sure, Lojban does tend to muddle things a bit= , since senses are object in (or addable without cost to) the universe of d= iscourse, so it is possible that 'lo broda' could refer to the sense of 'br= oda' (otherwise referred to by 'lo ka broda' or some somewhat more complica= ted version of that -- metaphysics, pfui! [or, as we say in Lojbanic circle= s, "epistemology"]). ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 10:45:52 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > 'lo broda' refers to the sense of 'broda'? I thought it referred to brod= as. And in what way is the sense of a word a generic anything. This seems= to be a set of rambling category mistakes all over the place. WTF? You are mixing object language and metalanguage (and you probably know it). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.