From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDcjrjeBBoEIbswvA@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 20 12:58:50 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O4Jal-00010c-9e; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:49 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf18915700qyk.1 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q/5VeHPSBNCgB0Y1++PYH/V/yH9G55kE5pes4EOXr/0=; b=CKk0B5Owx/2V92n/bwz83dv3HnqLDlZHeRnxO655AZMEMRwHdYsWd9psN0ftjJ/erd WodtiERAQBj4/lY5ldtj7gDtM5SYS/tYLBD13slnVciBf+zrJ6qBi4VDXn4SXicV+nBl 8TxGUALz+5tS2pMkgScDAJW7k2l6EuAi8zr/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kkqEFG+5iVCKLdSaNCya1Ai5RTtsE1PqrzL2YEArWiDHBI9/LFyGGVXd//7nPgqa6Z XLWw8paWHgUE3vJSgUM+ybcpNLediIT1M1DUnQYmICkw2YlsEt0Aebl+WDIN/vPdpgak v+CyT5Zm4ueMsWpDjPoZEFWYX6Ghx7vBbTtOo= Received: by 10.229.43.195 with SMTP id x3mr482878qce.1.1271793500396; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.50.82 with SMTP id y18ls15300412qcf.1.p; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.68 with SMTP id dp4mr755703qcb.13.1271793499359; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.68 with SMTP id dp4mr755702qcb.13.1271793499306; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si1290433qyk.12.2010.04.20.12.58.18; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 13so1121592vws.7 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <329209.57012.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6a2c862a-91f0-452e-9a31-0064620d5d06@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <931037.70565.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <329209.57012.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:58:17 -0300 Received: by 10.229.212.213 with SMTP id gt21mr4159964qcb.2.1271793497828; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro' From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > In addition, I note that the problem of =A0'ro lo broda cu brode' =A0brin= ging up a number of pluralities among lo broda which don't brode may result= from a misinterpretation of =A0'ro lo broda' which ranges not over everyth= ing among lo broda but only those among them that broda. Why would you want that? Surely the simple rule is that in "ro " a universal plural quantifier ranges over everything among the referents of the sumti, not about a selection that depends on the particular details of how the sumti was constructed. >=A0Thus, if 'broda' is, for example a predicate that applies directly only= to individuals, then only individuals will be sorted out, not various othe= r pluralities. =A0And conversely. =A0Every word, =A0as the saying goes, has= its own logic and, presumably, this fact will be appropriately recorded in= the logic of each. The logic of "broda" will surely be relevant in identifying the referents of "lo broda", but why should it be relevant in determining whether "ro" is singular or plural? What happens if an assignable variable is assigned the referents of "lo broda", does it thereafter always carry with it the method by which its referents were collected? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.