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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.91 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/674ee483019748bb Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Turniansky > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 12:18:28 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. >=20 > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Jones <> ymailto=3D"mailto:eyeo= nus@gmail.com"=20 > href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com>=20 > wrote: > > > > Insofar as Lojban is concerned,=20 > {la.mari,=E1n.} and {la.mari,An.} are the same > thing. {la.mari,An.} is=20 > much more common, as "A" is easier to type. (On > standard U.S. keyboard,=20 > for instance, "A" is +a, "=E1" is +=20 > 0,2,2,5>.) > =A0I'm surprised no one in this long thread has yet=20 > mentioned the convention that I use, indeed, the convention that the CLL=20 > uses, mari,AN. =A0Or has everyone just tacitly said, "Oh, this is ugly,=20 > let's just move on"? Just because something is ugly for one person doesn't mean it's=20 ugly for another.=A0 I'm reminded of once being told that=20 serif fonts are 'nicer', 'more pleasant' and=20 'easier to read', and that it was scientifically proven.=A0 Then it turned= =20 out that the research had been done in the USA, and that in Germany=20 they prefer non-serif fonts!=A0 What's 'pretty or 'ugly' is personal and=20 cultural.=A0 I think we should leave this subject alone until Chinese,=20 Arabic and Tamil lojbanists have had a chance to comment.=A0 Then=20 if they all agree something looks 'ugly', we can change it. totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.