From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDQksHeBBoEGlpDlg@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 22 06:04:47 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O4w58-000685-5f; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:45 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf22042361qyk.1 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=R3TEqGGJeE2tAV7M4RE6HF1ySh8za+bw0YgXkElDrXc=; b=lVBO2i+B+IyrBQAXZxyU0bZJ6jHUcz5Ey06t/TtrtK/f2O53s9MLzGOotsbrCRzYI0 q2MJi0HktPjJb4OIcQe0IQhl+yicLwT9KTxZFRSmaz7A73JNbYGkP0uMDmfuh/NP4Euj 7gG5BR5WZZBkUAVOYEFNQ97Tkpu2lUOKv1T7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xeJRJg0sx5Zr9g7vIKU97BaVhmTaLoHDDRsH6/BoUr3CRHVWsELAFGo46XJfOG3cto 4dthWWU3mANipqwHmgvS+gw6s/oW/ypQysvs3oY8nZKCD7RQCw6ZyBgIEBBse6jtbg+F 3rcFaWOViRPiIOwXIvSccs5kp1eL95hcBZ6/c= Received: by 10.229.116.84 with SMTP id l20mr668281qcq.37.1271941456239; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls26105654qcb.0.p; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.196 with SMTP id u4mr1088162qcu.27.1271941455468; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.196 with SMTP id u4mr1088161qcu.27.1271941455412; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f51.google.com (mail-vw0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si1532075qyk.2.2010.04.22.06.04.14; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.51; Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so895511vws.24 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.167.140 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6a2c862a-91f0-452e-9a31-0064620d5d06@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <391970.26672.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <225049.90411.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <734238.40743.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <831879.67797.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:04:13 -0400 Received: by 10.220.108.106 with SMTP id e42mr6752080vcp.79.1271941454105; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro' From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f905c778c0d680484d2f261 --00c09f905c778c0d680484d2f261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ro da poi bevri lo co'e cu ba se cnemu > "Anyone who carries the thing will be rewarded." I read this as "everyone who carries the thing will be rewarded"... in this context are there any differences between "anyone who..." and "everyone who..."? 2010/4/22 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, John E Clifford > wrote: > > Thank you for the reductio ad absurdum. What gives the right result in > this system is so remote from the question at hand as to demonstrate the > total inadequacy of the system. > > So: > > ro da poi bevri lo co'e cu ba se cnemu > "Anyone who carries the thing will be rewarded." > > would be close to the question at hand, except it gives the wrong result, > while: > > ro da poi me lo bevri be lo co'e cu ba se cnemu > "Anyone who is among the carriers of the thing will be rewarded." > > is remote from the question at hand, even though it gives the right > result? Just adding three little words makes the system totally > inadequate? > > OK. What's an adequate system then? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f905c778c0d680484d2f261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=A0ro da poi bevri lo co'e cu ba se cnemu
> =A0 =A0"Anyone who carries the thing = will be rewarded."

I read this as "everyone who carries the thing will be reward= ed"... in this context are there any differences between "anyone = who..." and "everyone who..."?


2010/4/22 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com&= gt;
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thank you for the reductio ad absurdum. =A0What gives the right result= in this system is so remote from the question at hand as to demonstrate th= e total inadequacy of the system.

So:

=A0 =A0 ro da poi bevri lo co'e cu ba se cnemu
=A0 =A0 "Anyone who carries the thing will be rewarded."
would be close to the question at hand, except it gives the wrong result, w= hile:

=A0 =A0 ro da poi me lo bevri be lo co'e cu ba se cnemu
=A0 =A0 "Anyone who is among the carriers of the thing will be reward= ed."

is remote from the question at hand, even though it gives the right
result? Just adding three little words makes the system totally
inadequate?

OK. What's an adequate system then?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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