From lojban+bncCNuStaWoDxC8wcHeBBoE_wTxSw@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 22 07:44:41 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.217.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O4xdr-0000AK-8x; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:40 -0700 Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26sf7128913gxk.10 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6mXLgXZTyK3jVgjrMe/cv1XgScHGwz0ry5dbQxhsDLc=; b=S0r5jCBxhrV8BTyflXNZB6fn2zTtHbiNKgrxY82g/PPq78+FfNcksjDo2UD2EMMzYc M+12aSfvpDplG4eYbjX/r/fBsYtCHvLAxSm9o27/ecod7ELo7A9yss0171r6kKArAeQi 5FTp4ZVzm2ZVRv30BBf1kpvY48RLJijZ+TJlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nRbqqHdUvL1ZNq8OwBGNRzQD/TXRWu318Tn9qsmuhPz5JniiXki5QSMsJXG4UPfdyK DPgbDfAx8r7fOSwG8TH6vlATin7macdA/uVbGYg5+JoEYu6e08eQdV6IPB7+/pZwtNBV AVMRLU0Bdno9kDdMl48cNVf8zTlhTDW3mgO5Q= Received: by 10.150.241.5 with SMTP id o5mr1177850ybh.29.1271947452833; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.145.167 with SMTP id p39ls102791wej.0.p; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.88.12 with SMTP id z12mr1056809wee.4.1271947451055; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.88.12 with SMTP id z12mr1056807wee.4.1271947451015; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n31si46458wbc.4.2010.04.22.07.44.09; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by wwi14 with SMTP id 14so1475404wwi.10 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.91.9 with SMTP id g9mr4533713wef.194.1271947449735; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [77.96.184.80] (cpc10-pres4-0-0-cust79.pres.cable.virginmedia.com [77.96.184.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r29sm242893wbv.15.2010.04.22.07.44.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD060B7.5020903@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:44:07 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro' References: <6a2c862a-91f0-452e-9a31-0064620d5d06@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <75805.51342.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <934390.40893.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <391970.26672.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <225049.90411.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <734238.40743.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 22/04/2010 02:13: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM, John E Clifford w= rote: > (Not that it makes any difference if you want to talk about bunches, > it's just that it is not necessary to invoke bunches.) >=20 >> -- and of course, carrying a pianno is very different from being in a gr= oup, even if the group is carrying a piano. >=20 > Right, all that matters is that they carry the piano. It's not > necessary to decide whether they are a group or not, and it is > certainly not necessary to call them a group even if they are one. If every possibly combination of individuals constitutes a group/bunch/set/= collectivity, so that there is no doubt over the definitiion, is it necessa= ry, and is it advantageous, to invoke plural quantification/predication?=20 --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.