From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDv4cbeBBoEzKPNXA@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 23 07:39:08 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5K21-0003S6-TH; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:39:08 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf2971490ywh.28 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5HksPLNr05+Unz0KdsSTkMaJ8ADpoamb3X4d9VQ6jTw=; b=vWhcoLKXEE/g9dKcriYH0wMLgw4Odl7orDvalZHsz8cMoNGYkgyuThaolNEarSwg2T RMk0eIr7uhiheac+vJJYaImhbFOQwXrXurB3P1Ph49d5o0g8Wg4GEqHYOiND7c8/cguP P6qtboLUuudc6QA9jSe2Rztz7RF4+3tYEK9uc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=uCEIOl+rRq5uOgFeF8TShZNxWTXvv+5YPZzL3Blb/sqP+j5fjAPqZQgpQERWnggFZ6 gC04w9zj15n57OmOj0Mm7P4JhCIJBKIFJzp+S3qbR+ABcMbByU3OvSArgukb2NEgFTVB rk67mIn7GmKfT5ggM1ZPdqf4Jc/o7RBOfVmc8= Received: by 10.101.165.36 with SMTP id s36mr12316ano.41.1272033519382; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.168.36 with SMTP id v36ls27827942ano.4.p; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.184.19 with SMTP id l19mr74422anp.28.1272033518808; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.184.19 with SMTP id l19mr74420anp.28.1272033518780; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 17si135876gxk.12.2010.04.23.07.38.37; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.123; Received: (qmail 74087 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 14:38:37 -0000 Message-ID: <343842.72778.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DXtbtgcVM1lUZQJ7ul9q7w7uJRIjueo16Q7xF_uDTp6GJ2C Qpb6hE71FWOsMEYgv_CcWRpzVQ6.jNuMNmEe5HjH9RJHUFihPc1ZbSjWRY8R j2qNnEI3EsUU6eRloeHvJaHcoRDoDRA9K.k3RLn6Lf_QTZA26_p1.ETjP0UJ Xm1yidQ8G9hxLNXsm74TH126iM9zUhG2da2wySBirl3fpctTHPRrhE3sHWdv .B8jGXus0vwpQLzykdokZOzx5935N__5k5MW.B.6ZWKrL5VKSOiAlRyFx76C AAxKzFdBa0Exq6J8CFm7UzKO8wvXRrqRYHGoTgBrueaTlsttJNgfXOhmFBBj yXBYtxxIGNgK2RO_nIf3QGyFU0PhHDstjb.DC Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <6a2c862a-91f0-452e-9a31-0064620d5d06@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <225049.90411.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <734238.40743.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD060B7.5020903@gmail.com> <402483.50291.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822558.3911.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro' To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So we're basck to "What in the Hell does 'lo broda' mean?" Apparently "the= m what participates in brodaing". But then. since, apparently, 'lo broda c= u broda' is meant to be true 'broda' actually means "particpates in brodain= g' since there is not guarantee that lo broda actually broda either individ= ually or collectively, though perhaps some of them do. How do we get back = to broda itself? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro' On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > > [Okay, lets take the the people who carried today. There are 15 groups, = each of them referents of the term. None of the 15 groups are referents of the term. It's the members of those groups that are referents of the term. > How do we get down from that to the five people actually involved -- whic= h five are not in fact referents of the term, since they don't carry togeth= er. They don't have to carry all together or all by themselves or in any other particular distribution in order to be referents of the term. They just have to carry. The manner, whether together, in groups, taking turns, at the same time, in different arrangements at different times, etc, if important, has to be specified by some other means. > That is, though the referents at different times today were different (no= t a problem), the question is about the referent for today as a whole. We= 're not seeking added precision here, we are just trying to get to the simp= lest case: the newspaper headline, for example.] Those would be the five. "The people who carried today" refers to the people who carried today. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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