From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRDy6MjeBBoELKfBeQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 23 17:00:15 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5Sn4-0005LH-UQ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:00:15 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf3292361ywh.28 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:00:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XPd7kc0r2/Wga6u9yMwNV/tXopuqDfSDb0RM1qyNw5Q=; b=Zp3OO13La8e73rfOeM72E3PLAmtwxGKPXuGEgbY7JLfa3tke6BUxu955vSqJBgC72y VEL6PqeuPiZQVAS07x6l8P+EhfoX2nXkPQt3Q2aKGBqHz0swCdLsUWLc1F4UxvLYp+cb NVbiemOnh0UR4yXS1kEefiXk5JYI9HnZ065wA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Yr4DRvHADFMMRe8rHa9zS80Y7cIqWydjwYPbR1hJy/gir118rn4KeqPYPoQ0wRlkmU tBALqUkuJLyhiIwMUt4Ry8oWU+Dd/uv3WxpVtgbVVT5YAVNjVxQ4/1ySlqjKpxJ1htqk 5SSwafKcSJTN0U0dgLuK25BFmhmk1DqkRkIf0= Received: by 10.101.175.38 with SMTP id c38mr114098anp.43.1272067186385; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6ls33482651agl.0.p; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.6.5 with SMTP id j5mr307339agi.2.1272067185554; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.6.5 with SMTP id j5mr307336agi.2.1272067185305; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f188.google.com (mail-gy0-f188.google.com [209.85.160.188]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si187946ywh.8.2010.04.23.16.59.45; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.188 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.188; Received: by gyb13 with SMTP id 13so9132131gyb.25 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr177426ybe.65.1272067185259; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by y14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BD22A52.1050609@gmail.com> X-IP: 90.233.142.137 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BC1D15A.5030409@lojban.org> <4BC36464.8010707@gmail.com> <6d4d93ea-e660-4ad1-8910-02ddbb96f48c@b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <7913e18e-b0f2-4b18-bb4d-ecf39ef60f38@v14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <4BD1EA77.3070908@gmail.com> <4BD22A52.1050609@gmail.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032711 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.8,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <603a6f42-f8f0-4072-9c02-63cbcdb39f1c@y14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo From: Daniel Brockman To: lojban X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.188 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 24, 1:16=A0am, And Rosta wrote: > one of the things about your putative equivalence between lo ku > and zo'e that makes me uncomfortable is that zo'e should > arguably include zi'o, but lo ku certainly shouldn't. I actually think zo'e should not include zi'o. My basic assumption is that zo'e should always be exactly equivalent to leaving the sumti out. And I don't think {klama} can mean {klama zi'o}. That's because zi'o alters the predicate fundamentally. So it's maybe no longer {klama}. For the same reason, I think {klama} should not include {to'e klama}. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.