From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCxmczeBBoEmsgFGw@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 24 08:22:53 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5hBv-00006a-0l; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:52 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf3477281vws.16 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jf4jLqmZxAkEPyw8ycLbP7cWyr18lV8SfxGoJ5gbbyc=; b=a3146OonEiTzrPu2dSrKz6oKRsXBMlxqz/cQaRIVmqpVYmUX0Bp5cqgWGdlKwOph7z QrY0jhY9QIvfyyFtYKh+mWJNPqazX1ppCg1jcxDN0xxSylruT1xy9aXbQzdCsZ5eZ5Pt K5f91gGLoz1XfurZyiVPLGbAbf/h0Rx2WPx34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Bby1vhKm3OxhvfxqXFrSO3w50g9rq6Y0zVP3AbbFA/hxQ87lcSOxBqGFhCTAV+32qh w9X2NrLoc+X2ahWk2D+7h6gdEdxMTAW85XjdQdZ239Y8dI06dg9EsXA4LM1tGSiH+eC+ gDj0o9wsEg3u42kMpWC77ln3y7Nb/bgaP6XPk= Received: by 10.220.62.76 with SMTP id w12mr108332vch.32.1272122545123; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls32500877vcf.5.p; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.195 with SMTP id j3mr357148vcy.25.1272122543592; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.195 with SMTP id j3mr357147vcy.25.1272122543570; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.221.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b14si1582865vcx.5.2010.04.24.08.22.22; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.179; Received: by mail-qy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 9so14758615qyk.1 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.192.7 with SMTP id do7mr1744588qcb.71.1272122540254; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:22:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Explicit non-restriction From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Daniel Brockman wro= te: > If you say {.i do nelci ma}, most people will assume that > you've left out some implicit {poi broda} on {ma}. Why? "ma" usually means "what?", not "which?". Without any more context, I would read "do nelci ma" as "what do you like?"= . But for example with more context: lo ckafi lo tcati zo'u do nelci ma "Coffee, tea: which do you like?" >=A0So how > would you express that {ma} is completely unrestricted? "ma poi mo"? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.