From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDLkM3eBBoEc_EUpw@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 24 12:37:11 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5lA1-0007hx-1n; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:11 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf25771273qyk.1 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:36:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=le8m14t56UCBVNA198lTCQfrGVZj3rGIAD5yvIEEE5M=; b=atsx/5hDU7A9pqqzHCUs21ZPnmsryUqYWwUvj4dduIb/QyjEF08V5TnRW/OhT0/WFa c0U+uAkZxiFpqWMUQJMxnGvjSYXR4N+U8g9EeAyD5oAoLedAS6zEOrwmjmsHX0lUlFnH 2CzheYUVT1mkdQIXoUGT8SOxv0693h9Q/yw7s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=2rasUHJtIQculiZzEgGOtL7gw904sh/t/QtOePAAMldnr7SZjxrDust4VmJmsMAexp jKMtqm9G3583r46Re4sn2ihOO4ckYwDRChqKskJgy9jSrkBkDjbyXj2jcFeZEPgpTaz2 b9XOj8tkTrA2M8PY9IvqLx9NAN0mpynuQXoYc= Received: by 10.224.0.100 with SMTP id 36mr163201qaa.29.1272137803213; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.59.82 with SMTP id k18ls1471271qah.5.p; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.88.101 with SMTP id z37mr158674qal.15.1272137802100; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.88.101 with SMTP id z37mr158673qal.15.1272137802066; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si322267qyk.0.2010.04.24.12.36.41; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=md/akEhvz0WLrAyymQvjuC2fNr9yfI3VSI4dGos2zUA= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=qNIPf7y6vY6kUdTgGOAA:9 a=hfCoRF5GgPwdE9foBMpFG2Fvl2wA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:43817] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 6A/A0-24090-94843DB4; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:36:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E3210FC2 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:36:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004241536.37463.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 24 April 2010 11:45:58 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Daniel Brockman = =20 wrote: > > What I meant was just that I consider {to'e broda} to be more > > or less a completely new predicate (for any {broda}). > > You mean like: > > cirko: x1 loses x2 at x3 > to'e cirko: x1 finds x2 at x3 > > canci: x1 vanishes from x2 > to'e canci: x1 appears at x2 > > If someone thinks of to'e as meaning un-, this doesn't work very well, > because In English un- doesn't just mean opposite, it means more like > undo, so in order to "un-lose"something, it first has to be lost, in > order for something to "un-vanish" it first has to have vanished. But > "to'e" is just opposite, not undoing, so the opposite of losing is > finding and the opposite of vanishing is appearing, and there is no > requirement that the thing found had to be lost or the thing that > appears had to have disappeared. > > (The odd thing about these two words in particular is that the > "negative" one is the basic root and the "positive" one has to be > formed with "to'e", but that's how it is.) =BFY porqu=E9 no se dice "vanece y desvanece"? .iji'a lo to'e jgena cu lunb= e zo'o ni'o ma to'e mlatu mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.