From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDtkM3eBBoEDJ_llQ@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 24 12:38:02 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5lAp-0007jt-MC; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:38:02 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf25771824qyk.1 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=p+GWMi+Jq53fzFm/7psUPVvNByIdYzsqQr6scXUqzy4=; b=eCfj+p9sUoF3syNeTg0crBnVFQwC81ZzqKmY/TckeaznNm/WypU0Ba42lM/iQQAM1M vyT/iqjkLna+kjVxHnAgul2pgpms0gn53ICNRovnkKp3RgdUnNpbtmDIK9sHTKQvA+ol F9oCfp6Yze6pDdysqtSg1maVHnABwWDZDZLLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=g0Nz8opt+aQ8PLG2hs8w1ey4fsULKYQQyypSSZWtG1JQ4h3UKHvHkXaDgZ8RLeZdLF WNa74tCdTjXFSU3PMHvJcySSB/9NIuwL+0LRgBlvd2T84hD2+RYZ9AKTrR+WJKKNY1cl pKr77iixef3TaLHWy6B4Dir0B2xthv9/f+Dv4= Received: by 10.224.100.148 with SMTP id y20mr156372qan.14.1272137837723; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.86.223 with SMTP id t31ls1463995qal.7.p; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.112.234 with SMTP id x42mr156876qap.29.1272137836904; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.112.234 with SMTP id x42mr156875qap.29.1272137836813; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f50.google.com (mail-vw0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si307778qyk.14.2010.04.24.12.37.15; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so928115vws.23 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.123.137 with SMTP id p9mr1110460vcr.216.1272137835574; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:37:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] bug in le cmalu noltru? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68def27cb75b3048500ab49 --0016e68def27cb75b3048500ab49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I need to read more. I keep seeing things that I didn't know could be done with the language. For instance. What kind of black magic is goin= g on here? {mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri} I thought that BAI take a sumti so right off the bat it looks funny that we have {ki'u broda} and then because it looks like {ki'u} sucked up {bilga} i= t looks like this bridi is missing a selbri, but somehow (as jboski shows me below) {bilga} somehow gets used by {ki'u} AND used as the main selbri. What is going on here? [1(2*[bilga1 (obliged thing(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3*ki'u* *because of reason* *bilga* *being obliged*=BB3 (4*[bilga2 (duty(ies)) :]**lo* * any/some* <5*nu* *event(s) of* [6=AB7*cuxna* *choos-ing*=BB7 (8*[cuxna2 (ch= osen thing(s)) :] **lo* *any/some* (9*drata* *different* *[type-of]**jibri* * occupation(s)*)9)8]6>5)4]1 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > And what about "fi'o jai do'e co'e ju'e me zo'e"? :) > > ... wait... did you hear that? That was the sound of my brain exploding. > Let's see. Even used in normal vanilla situations {jai} confuses me so > {fi'o jai do'e co'e} I get the feeling like there's been a bunch of stuf= f > elided here. > > On the whole I gather that not much was said specifically =3Dp > > 2010/4/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> > In general is, for >> > example, {mi dunda fu lo gerku} equivalent to {mi dunda fi'o co'e lo >> gerku}. >> >> I think so, yes. >> >> > Gah, the more questions I ask the more questions I create for myself. >> Is >> > {fi'o co'e} =3D {do'e}? >> >> Yes. >> >> And what about "fi'o jai do'e co'e ju'e me zo'e"? :) >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e68def27cb75b3048500ab49 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I need to read more. =A0I keep seeing things that I didn't know= could be done with the language. =A0For instance. =A0What kind of black ma= gic is going on here?

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I thoug= ht that BAI take a sumti so right off the bat it looks funny that we have {= ki'u broda} and then because it looks like {ki'u} sucked up {bilga}= it looks like this bridi is missing a selbri, but somehow (as jboski shows= me below) {bilga} somehow gets used by {ki'u} AND used as the main sel= bri. =A0What is going on here?

[1(2[bilga1 = (obliged thing(s)) :]=A0mi=A0I, me)2=A0[is, does]=A0= =AB3ki'u=A0because of reason=A0bilga= =A0being obliged=BB<= sub class=3D"parenmark" style=3D"font-size: xx-small; ">3=A0(4[bilga2 (duty(ies)) :]lo= =A0any/some=A0<5nu=A0event(s) of=A0[6=AB7cuxna=A0choos-ing=BB7=A0(8[cuxna2 (chosen thing(s)) :]=A0lo=A0any/some=A0(9drata=A0different=A0[typ= e-of]jibr= i=A0occupation(s= ))9)8]6>5)4]1

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Luke Berge= n <lukeaberge= n@gmail.com> wrote:
>=A0And what about "fi= 9;o jai do'e co'e ju'e me zo'e"? :)

... wait... did you hear that? =A0That was the sound of my brain exp= loding. =A0Let's see. =A0Even used in normal vanilla situations {jai} c= onfuses me so {fi'o jai do'e co'e} =A0I get the feeling like th= ere's been a bunch of stuff elided here.

On the whole I gather that not much was said specifical= ly =3Dp

2010/4/24 Jorge Llamb= =EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke = Bergen <lukea= bergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0In general is, for
> example, {mi dunda fu lo gerku}=A0equivalent to {mi dunda fi'o co&= #39;e=A0lo gerku}.

I think so, yes.

> =A0Gah, the more=A0questions=A0I ask the more questions I create for m= yself. =A0Is
> {fi'o co'e} =3D {do'e}?

Yes.

And what about "fi'o jai do'e co'e ju'e me zo'e&qu= ot;? :)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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