From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCEqM3eBBoEakXK4A@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 24 13:27:12 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5lwQ-0002EV-9T; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:27:11 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf3554854vws.16 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=clyPo7eFaYfyEdiXm9VzxHu5bDkbc6NEP6shhbACZYg=; b=UogZQf3uCHFBfs74vceQYzxXwSnvRkb+8bOOVxOuES7KkgehizWHqJdwQTJqRGk3Mq A5caqqWCNDy0moTyHluW/0O8rfhD1xBV3DOoMgC+VSZgNStCY3EGmr1MgeNFUAalsiR0 I/XamxciHQrlju4a3c8zwONT4ILF/cBhpa8n4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=6UDt/tX3lmBI3NOwjX6dimDidlEigPfAyelGNrE8nUS6puvFH2joZnZjSfpmmlalDd OTOmhgLjCNG9xp1ubs2oJX9Dgy7RK6wZLNxn7YZzGeR4SfUmwj+Bp4XAO8aMTjAjwFsf e9POjMaUXxWE+sUWEuif24eyEmr6paAt9BU5g= Received: by 10.220.107.101 with SMTP id a37mr132150vcp.43.1272140804387; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.70.17 with SMTP id b17ls33290149vcj.2.p; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.46.145 with SMTP id j17mr397196vcf.3.1272140802952; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.46.145 with SMTP id j17mr397195vcf.3.1272140802930; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f197.google.com (mail-qy0-f197.google.com [209.85.221.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si1746660vci.4.2010.04.24.13.26.41; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.197; Received: by mail-qy0-f197.google.com with SMTP id 35so10503901qyk.11 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.88.72 with SMTP id z8mr2349001qcl.3.1272140801694; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:26:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201004241536.37463.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <201004241536.37463.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:26:41 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 24 April 2010 11:45:58 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> cirko: x1 loses x2 at x3 >> to'e cirko: x1 finds x2 at x3 >> >> canci: x1 vanishes from x2 >> to'e canci: x1 appears at x2 Also with the same theme: cliva: x1 leaves x2 via x3 to'e cliva: x1 arrives at x2 via x3 claxu: x1 lacks x2 to'e claxu: x1 has x2 ("to'e claxu" is not to be confused with the much more specialized "ponse": "x1 owns x2") In all four cases the base word is the "absence" one and the "presence" word is the derived one, which is backwards from what I would expect. At least there is a little method to the madness. A fifth candidate could be "kunti"/"to'e kunti", but we do have "culno" so we don't really need "to'e kunti". > =BFY porqu=E9 no se dice "vanece y desvanece"? For the same reason you don't say "perse" and "disperse". :) > .iji'a lo to'e jgena cu lunbe zo'o .i pe'i lo to'e lunbe cu dasni .i oi mi na jimpe lo du'u ma kau te ckini lo lunbe lo jgena > ni'o ma to'e mlatu .i la'a lo danlu poi cmoni zo uaim mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.