From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC7mM_eBBoEsxdE0g@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 24 22:00:06 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O5twm-0001G7-RH; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:00:05 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf26447569qyk.1 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1QA08YvHLElvA1DVKYIHpenTiXhg6Gt7AIiedDUMt50=; b=qAp6SPsWIQgwytTitNTI3lU6s7yIfKXVZFwCjl2VXjb6SLyswZp5FQt8rrGvIurW2n ONqDhF/ycSYOeNmeNJoceWw2HyYbBzOjPDWZ5qw3FdNOgsRl7tpTy4aCaeBvMme/DQDp Ng4VJ5V/Xf6+2LRJMGNEurEe2b0J/toZplHbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=gUZZLjs0LA4nQgEE8q4uGJo57WjrMF6GQ4A2GJYeacKWvdSoTMvsXPes/Z4laboBXj Bts69/yzN+8UAo6quNGnA3EZJ16a0qQlxyd3jjze1v+x+3d5uBTb7VvKhPXSN9hYHM6u 9R1/sUwU79u45eeHfYaIHDPEnMTMeNSCR0B28= Received: by 10.224.10.167 with SMTP id p39mr183077qap.40.1272171579165; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.59.82 with SMTP id k18ls1913544qah.5.p; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.87.224 with SMTP id x32mr14195qal.25.1272171578516; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.87.224 with SMTP id x32mr14194qal.25.1272171578476; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si372892qyk.5.2010.04.24.21.59.37; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so3995875vws.2 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr1414432vcx.183.1272171577027; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:59:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 00:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] bug in le cmalu noltru? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887af1f12f2a0485088641 --e0cb4e887af1f12f2a0485088641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Sorry, why doesn't that mean that the code of conduct that has obliged yo= u to look is 'lo > drata jibri'? I thought that the sumti bound to the outer selbri unless given an inner specifier. I'm not sure I follow. The {lo nu} introduces a bridi which is {cuxna lo drata jibri}. The x3 place of {bilga} never gets filled. In order to make the {drata jibri} be the x3 of bilga you'd have to kill the {nu} with {kei} like {mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna kei lo drata jibri}. Or am I misunderstanding your question. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Steve Salkin wrote: > > > On Apr 24, 2010, at 16:44, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> >>> >>> {mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri} >>> >>> I thought that BAI take a sumti so right off the bat it looks funny tha= t >>> we >>> have {ki'u broda} >>> >> >> BAIs are tags, like PU, and like all tags they can be used as sumti >> tcita or as selbri tcita. (Or as connectives.) >> >> "mi ki'u bilga" is like "mi pu bilga", except with "because >> (whatever)" instead of "before (whatever)". >> >> "mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri" is "I therefore (i.e. >> because of contextual reason) had to choose another job." >> >> > Sorry, why doesn't that mean that the code of conduct that has obliged yo= u > to look is 'lo drata jibri'? I thought that the sumti bound to the outer > selbri unless given an inner specifier. > > > mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --e0cb4e887af1f12f2a0485088641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=A0Sorry, why doesn't that mean that the code of conduct that= has obliged you to look is 'lo=A0
> drata jibri'? I thought that the sumti bound = to the outer selbri unless given an inner specifier.

I'm not sure I follow. =A0The {lo nu} introduces = a bridi which is {cuxna lo drata jibri}. =A0The x3 place of {bilga} never g= ets filled. =A0In order to make the {drata jibri} be the x3 of bilga you= 9;d have to kill the {nu} with {kei} like {mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna ke= i lo drata jibri}.

Or am I misunderstanding your question.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Steve Salkin <steve@salkin.org= > wrote:


On Apr 24, 2010, at 16:44, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

{mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri}

I thought that BAI take a sumti so right off the bat it looks funny that we=
have {ki'u broda}

BAIs are tags, like PU, and like all tags they can be used as sumti
tcita or as selbri tcita. (Or as connectives.)

"mi ki'u bilga" is like "mi pu bilga", except with = "because
(whatever)" instead of "before (whatever)".

"mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri" is "I therefo= re (i.e.
because of contextual reason) had to choose another job."


Sorry, why doesn't that mean that the code of conduct that has obliged = you to look is 'lo drata jibri'? I thought that the sumti bound to = the outer selbri unless given an inner specifier.


mu'o mi'e xorxes

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