From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCBg9HeBBoEVe4_rA@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 06:20:27 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O61l1-0006v3-5p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:20:27 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf2945751wya.16 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/UF3TcQI1JBu4HnhDOqy/21u7rrbbvP+6KOeyxlJijc=; b=FF9HLMpuYPYQFhp9ey1z6DkSupHTCb4AvXT3IPi4o4Dfy+5RW/dXDrE5+6C5TWq9uL K2YzBfGVaTzcXz30MnZUTpJDHxOecGHf5uA2EKk6SojoMaFG8Y5Vqrxja9cNQV6E3WR4 TZru2BkjNWVbxC/bMbCGs3IIQIoWb/dwg/3Do= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JU/78VeBwC5N7EnCxwHycdwNeb57+l5EHurWogwvct+LfciH5ZXO601wTIn6OK38qi JIjz4wPX14qBg9RdFh62PZ7Pc9nKEgBCht5otmuv2syrIJWq7yYbigPLQ1vS34NzYEIC 1Fk2asWhZ20S8cAHnr6UuPbXwnveGFzdKbvJY= Received: by 10.223.15.141 with SMTP id k13mr757107faa.16.1272201601328; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.24.105 with SMTP id w83ls7416463wew.1.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.172.144 with SMTP id t16mr222900wel.25.1272201599975; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.172.144 with SMTP id t16mr222899wel.25.1272201599946; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.221.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p33si3803923wba.3.2010.04.25.06.19.58; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.182; Received: by mail-qy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 12so1668586qyk.21 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.192.68 with SMTP id dp4mr3053000qcb.36.1272201598250; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:19:58 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Brockman wrot= e: > > So, my proposal: > > =A0* {UI} and {UI nai} are dictionary-defined. > =A0* {UI sai}, {UI ru'e} and {UI cu'i} are fully compositional. It sounds reasonable, but consider for example: .o'a (UI1) Attitudinal. Used to express pride / dignity / self-confidence / smugness / bravado / grandiloquence / pomposity / cockiness / conceit / arrogance. (cf. jgira) .o'a cu'i (UI*1) Attitudinal. Used to express modesty / humility / humbleness / discreetness / meekness / unpretentiousness / reserve. (cf. cumla) .o'a nai (UI*1) Attitudinal. Used to express shame / abashment / embarrassment / humiliation / mortification. (cf. ckeji) Isn't it useful to have the words modesty / humility / humbleness / discreetness / meekness / unpretentiousness / reserve associated in some way with "o'a cu'i"? And also the lojban word "cumla"? At least the entry for "cumla" should probably make some reference to "o'a cu'i", and in an English-Lojban dictionary the entries for modesty, humility, etc should mention "o'a cu'i", whether the dictionary has an entry for ".o'a cu'i" or not. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.