From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDAj9HeBBoEiFEjkA@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 06:47:08 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O62Ao-000071-D9; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:47:08 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf26951856qyk.1 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=nQIebujMUX5xm4SuE5z1lTt5JFwZPKO3mA1BKGBUsCM=; b=Ao+lEnM/vyL3lUjtNYKFFVJhglwXXqQBMHqgM7jVw1rfabT8NbFMifTE6i9Rb+P6cI bs+d2RihJowrP++sPJI+TJ5Tg4zsfQ4ffDFvm9gCRBwggBbOvzlGMjGFtbLIg7h6F28y w9rpeOXqQh6/4mvQu4H77+8TiXR39ccg0X5Ro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=5UC0Npk8zm+McfJxCKuX/UGuFFIM4226neEDnEZcVUOawxQFS+v9QQEi8H6caMZZ3p bfU8rO8EyNs2kqbW+hDwsvoyOH5r8RLHRv911kW5XUrNmvIDyb3CHUpulsua8n36HBJU tkyLs1VDvByO2OdEss6Vx2W8dN/v2iQ3em90A= Received: by 10.229.1.153 with SMTP id 25mr202736qcf.41.1272203200861; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.50.82 with SMTP id y18ls37304942qcf.1.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.212.204 with SMTP id gt12mr188468qcb.24.1272203200254; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.212.204 with SMTP id gt12mr188467qcb.24.1272203200225; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si414147qyk.6.2010.04.25.06.46.40; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ozfpW0B87ixv+y7a1W07/YoomWMeieABhgxoD9XXnPM= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=-si5VePkSGcnwmpVJsAA:9 a=z0US-bNVjmWrrMisBufFqIwt-GYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:50976] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 5D/28-25246-EB744DB4; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:46:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0C8B84A for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Explicit non-restriction Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:46:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004250946.35411.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 25 April 2010 09:15:25 Daniel Brockman wrote: > So you're saying that {ma poi me ro da} actually ends up > restricting {ma} to *each* thing? In other words, it would > have to be everything at the same time? Looking at your previous email address, you're Swedish, so I think you're= =20 mixing up "all", "every", and "each". "All" has cognates throughout Germani= c,=20 but "every" and "each" are restricted to Anglic or Low German, from what I= =20 know. "All things" can mean "ro da" or "lu'o ro da", "each thing" is "lu'a = ro=20 da", and I'm not sure how to explain the difference between "every" (from= =20 ME "everich"=3D"ever each") and "each". It's the same difference as "todo"= =20 vs. "cada". "ma" does not have to be everything at once. It can be any one thing at a= =20 time. If you want to ask what things broda together, you can say "lu'o ma p= oi=20 roda cu broda". Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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