From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRC_n9LeBBoEoe7ASg@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 11:54:30 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O66y9-00007l-Ab; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:54:29 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf3204327wya.16 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xnj3yQaSvKFoWj+Mr2aCGVI0nB6Du1S0Dd+kFF7Iin8=; b=VsbvbFr2IoreOtQzjDrc2QKCYfR4+JxyE7qJAXfQH/yeu+JA4ZYXEM6KTr/f1t26x3 jOPuaMWU1ZWPCb5AdtSH0b5v7Wk6z/qFMaGHBqLs6o1hynGz30h4nLgDtdtEbJbM76jt toM1Mtmui8WP+UEAXIAVBD6Fzpa4fiqbu37VY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jod5jRgoH0Vi0DseOJJMQOcjDzMll1iOQNaeV0A8oqOF77sjpA0uebTaI2b17sHfXI NZWp+1QD+rz7jWNw3GKh/znc1S+JdEI3XVvajLW1oGccLhn6JEwL6/+agX7p002wq/pb 92bmY7bk5WRPQ8SDQVs0gy6Fx79dWFuZzp1xM= Received: by 10.223.58.146 with SMTP id g18mr827170fah.14.1272221631295; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.77 with SMTP id 13ls13709151bky.3.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.161.203 with SMTP id s11mr162011bkx.16.1272221628902; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.161.203 with SMTP id s11mr162010bkx.16.1272221628876; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f216.google.com (mail-bw0-f216.google.com [209.85.218.216]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si418103bwz.2.2010.04.25.11.53.47; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.216 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.216; Received: by mail-bw0-f216.google.com with SMTP id 8so10548667bwz.3 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.22.75 with SMTP id m11mr1880191bkb.51.1272221627179; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.47.196 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:53:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201004250946.35411.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201004250946.35411.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:53:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Explicit non-restriction To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.216 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 25 April 2010 09:15:25 Daniel Brockman wrote: >> So you're saying that {ma poi me ro da} actually ends up >> restricting {ma} to *each* thing? =A0In other words, it would >> have to be everything at the same time? > > Looking at your previous email address, you're Swedish, so I think you're > mixing up "all", "every", and "each". "All" has cognates throughout Germa= nic, > but "every" and "each" are restricted to Anglic or Low German, from what = I > know. "All things" can mean "ro da" or "lu'o ro da", "each thing" is "lu'= a ro > da", and I'm not sure how to explain the difference between "every" (from > ME "everich"=3D"ever each") and "each". It's the same difference as "todo= " > vs. "cada". > > "ma" does not have to be everything at once. It can be any one thing at a > time. If you want to ask what things broda together, you can say "lu'o ma= poi > roda cu broda". [This is a somewhat unimportant tangent, which I'm happy to go off on, since I'm learning all the time, but I apologize anyway.] Here's what I meant by "restricted to being each thing": In {ro da zo'u ma poi me da cu broda}, {ma} is being restricted a number of times simultaneously --- namely, once for each referent of {da}. Maybe mixing a question and a quantification like this is a little weird, but I would assume that an answer would have to satisfy every referent of {da} to be correct. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.