From 34ii2SwcJBg0rBr1075tznvy.p1zy1won0t11tyrt41725.p1z@groups.bounces.google.com Fri Apr 02 10:27:36 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f160.google.com ([209.85.211.160]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <34ii2SwcJBg0rBr1075tznvy.p1zy1won0t11tyrt41725.p1z@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxkeY-0005ND-Nl for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:27:35 -0700 Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32sf2532106ywh.28 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:27:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=DyS/aDKm/7Hr//5CzvfzTZTDCiDr3uQ+HtO7nm8Rzt4=; b=Mnrf/fSOOIbhCviT359gO1oHy+vDJHKAHFyEwdKN7pADl+Rem05gJ93SGHfFbzQWeG MmwSymwObUdS0nCXZWgTt+S/7fgz7cNMWs6Oj4VRMKOA/5fU81xjYRJWiaXGJviX5BLZ pBisAmNXV40YfsHBQX0TijgPI6hRkqg8tVwjU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=F5Gkov2Qik05li3ZNGLWKwBZJAFmZftczdMOk6JuVPLOX7tQTu9ckdZVGg9uDORUgr H8sp91WdBZ77cv+E6YpsP10bK0+WJK08a6HPjlxSaqpTTqtVdX4FCgVVFweJUZzwsQ5W utIAy2+sQLwv/haI8QLVBQNsuoCQe8FOnesus= Received: by 10.91.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr352981agm.3.1270229218993; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls1258282bkd.1.p; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr144053bkx.32.1270229217111; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr144052bkx.32.1270229217069; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f43.google.com (mail-ww0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si10719635bkc.1.2010.04.02.10.26.55; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.43; Received: by mail-ww0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 30so756986wwg.2 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201004012357.49645.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:26:55 -0600 Received: by 10.216.89.84 with SMTP id b62mr1442106wef.226.1270229215837; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] So what do we say for Swedish? (was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/246d908facddb276 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d97102317e98048344494e --0016e6d97102317e98048344494e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I think I prefer Christopher's language/family naming method, as > presented > > in the topic this one came from. > > The problem is it only works for a few selected examples, not as a genera= l > rule. > > In my opinion, if you are going to use the codes, then there should be > a systematic transformation to get the fu'ivla from the code and the > code from the fu'ivla. Otherwise, I see no point in preferring the > code to the autonym. I don't prefer the code to the autonym. I prefer Christopher's method of using the code to the one you suggested. I would prefer the Lojban name for something to resemble the autonym as closely as possible while still being a valid stage-4 fu'ivla. {bangu'a'a'a= } et al. doesn't resemble anyone's name for any language, doesn't provide any information other than "it's a language" unless you know the ISO code, and looks ugly. > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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2010/4/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.= com>
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ; I think I prefer Christopher's language/family naming method, as pres= ented
> in the topic this one came from.

The problem is it only w= orks for a few selected examples, not as a general rule.

In my opini= on, if you are going to use the codes, then there should be
a systematic= transformation to get the fu'ivla from the code and the
code from the fu'ivla. Otherwise, I see no point in preferring the
c= ode to the autonym.
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I don't prefer the code to the autonym. I prefer Christopher's= method of using the code to the one you suggested.
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I would prefer the Lojban name for something to resemble the autonym a= s closely as possible while still being a valid stage-4 fu'ivla.=A0{ban= gu'a'a'a} et al.=A0doesn't resemble anyone's name for a= ny language, doesn't provide any information other than "it's = a language" unless you know the ISO code, and looks ugly.
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mu'o mi'e xorxes

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