From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDzrtLeBBoEBP4jBg@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 12:27:14 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O67Tt-0003TE-MF; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:27:14 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf4479721ywh.28 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qRjAMWt2Z9TfYA8HzsDUZ6IUvwNOF3u8k3q0dR/xvJg=; b=PBfrjsTqS3C5bt47pdMPV681AC7pcGmdmIfRXUe6sBZi9dx/HZhmxMztc+UGqjQ2aH NMc8iwAfS7QArfU606EE5rGkkgYx8TAQ6QXS57EZRo5w72AxwXeGMqPKtHDDuljbBf3+ rTot+VYf8zLB3DpDpqSIVf34vaQddUZFbJ87c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=yG4mnUvFcKAuqVlvKUysWxVwyMHdkV6NTZrs8TIjKP1h3dTgjfUR35sqNnOBDBN+1q CW1X6KaOt42f/AwwdKt6n08sFRAfB34yTDq327m0pon6TR5I61yUYzGaLt5YI8k93fiA 6gRW4drsPvb9SAt9/7Zq/oIPqoNt5CBLvMssU= Received: by 10.150.172.42 with SMTP id u42mr624066ybe.15.1272223603803; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.159.7 with SMTP id l7ls41642131ago.4.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.205.15 with SMTP id c15mr1254256agg.11.1272223603151; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.205.15 with SMTP id c15mr1254255agg.11.1272223603109; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 18si394549gxk.3.2010.04.25.12.26.41; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.120; Received: (qmail 68940 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2010 19:26:41 -0000 Message-ID: <643724.68929.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0mtcPmcVM1luzNl3eNJR65JjAjs4pKY5jpQOtpcpODnArFg d4hfMclnCZwluBs1ztGGDAPWjn.l7OihogczdjQY8E3EWp0Qx3I4Ju3ogir3 AZExRM1W0ahx2OIL2GZJpuhzRlfE4PVz2Vues7Os2zWuttJQLu89SpmAT2sy Q8UnSj0fyTWF4Rd344Kv2gHvVjhgQaNMTpXvfzIpxd8PoyafzF4QDJ3CoDNR M71AAVPJwYJBl0oGDO9xWHNS6lxHzST49Jyq87yyd8R1oJl1WzikJOSP5NmL nUYpB78briQz.gq2Bc5OzNTPprXtmXtkmivn9L2.MtP2ETvnmPLXNPYutwBd v8y0KWnz9VNdWgGpv4tYYGyPoH1E4oj2EgNziKA-- Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BC36464.8010707@gmail.com> <6d4d93ea-e660-4ad1-8910-02ddbb96f48c@b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <561527.86938.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5f7591f2-cb68-4a39-940c-965a0770343f@b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <775037.72228.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <910640.40103.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <971944.73808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <983500.94659.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, with 'pa' it doesn't make much difference, since 'ro' automatically p= icks out individuals and in pameis 'ro'oi' has only individuals to pick out= . But, if something is not a pamei then 'ro' still just gets individuals b= ut 'ro'oi' (which is no an ideal word, but, since it will be rare, what the= Hell) will get several, not all of which will be the same as the original.= So, 'ro'oi' here is used as part of the general scheme which is to go on t= o larger numbers. ----- Original Message ---- From: Daniel Brockman To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 2:16:14 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' > This is how I would define "PA mei": > > First we define "pamei", "x1 is one": > > ko'a pamei .ijo ro'oi da poi ke'a me ko'a zo'u da du ko'a > "A is one iff for any X among A: X =3D A" Why do you need {ro'oi} there? Why not {ro}? (Sorry if that's a stupid question. I'm not familiar with these plural quantifiers.) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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