From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRCesNLeBBoEPkZslA@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 12:30:02 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O67We-0003cF-4K; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:30:01 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf1372696wwb.16 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BBumHK4nGm/HAhJM+GIp8/JSFKlfZ5t1/6qX1x83knw=; b=pFK3506mbZtusnHXBsKYBtJtElcqcCRFV4cGbqrUhNCo5ZjZvc3xQ1ULRlIks7jdl5 7jzDWk9DQtikpGmvo3Q43b4ph3XiBkuh2tm5i0d7gE00HL1gPCumxhtRPjF22wrAuqvW eZSQI9ZKDnQShvHzPsodsmj6W4Pxfkv4n8nZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=1kpIWvnz7K/6JYBmwosZQYJa5fCJ8467LuTfVIhx4+yY7pUoBOJoinJD/Ej7HcpeJm StSotUuRaBSf6xWM5RZBxhZUweC8H1U8Z493v9mUozDIF+MBWy/kPq8MQn/dhbZ8xi5Y zcvlCV/W+lGvTR4u4dence0CBJirEa0Br65ZQ= Received: by 10.223.61.200 with SMTP id u8mr821236fah.48.1272223774136; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls13811167bkd.1.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.39.199 with SMTP id h7mr170885bke.3.1272223772434; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.39.199 with SMTP id h7mr170882bke.3.1272223772405; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f214.google.com (mail-bw0-f214.google.com [209.85.218.214]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si428065bwz.6.2010.04.25.12.29.31; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.214 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.214; Received: by mail-bw0-f214.google.com with SMTP id 6so894020bwz.19 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.81.134 with SMTP id x6mr1929686bkk.32.1272223771202; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.47.196 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:29:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201004250946.35411.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:29:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Explicit non-restriction To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Here's what I meant by "restricted to being each thing": >> >> In {ro da zo'u ma poi me da cu broda}, {ma} is being restricted >> a number of times simultaneously --- namely, once for each >> referent of {da}. =A0Maybe mixing a question and a quantification >> like this is a little weird, but I would assume that an answer >> would have to satisfy every referent of {da} to be correct. > > Right, and the only way that something can be each and every thing is > in a universe with only that one thing. Yeah, exactly. So in a way, {ro da zo'u do nelci ma poi me da} is a question about which universe of discourse makes the claim {do nelci ro da} true. Haha. Weird and backwards. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.