From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD8udLeBBoEeaDkUw@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 12:50:48 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O67qk-0004k8-MP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:47 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf1393272wwb.16 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EeiquxhCwYHuikJKuX5WUujdhCMgrp1uBIyHRFclWvo=; b=dAGXNFkRkpoV3OKtdUgzFclw3QEfoox/7fRg4GPYsBF31pDSqxEUCo/4UgpWO2r78c y03DWCcBPn1QNQHRijY/OnnU2xYQC647cknxYbxSBq0d3sG3/ugYBbwJPW1Uak8mrPNJ RCNgxgKsG/pa5qdVDpHqtUvBketxcGbm61DKM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AMChwaYUCz/CEMX1VU3YXsbC2HJGYzZPWqdJCRFink76oIopWHDi3r/gqm1g7hKn4V NQFeU3b9UAyB+S/EWMpQisOQldxAxacQcVWd73hdz57755nRL8qCf9KTLFx/3JeW2J+L XOZWcPjwpZFgcw+fZ6BQ9aw6Nng4dp4B7jhyw= Received: by 10.223.132.205 with SMTP id c13mr839530fat.28.1272225020628; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.87 with SMTP id 23ls13971780bky.0.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.140.13 with SMTP id g13mr142036bku.20.1272225019701; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.140.13 with SMTP id g13mr142035bku.20.1272225019675; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.221.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si423723bwz.2.2010.04.25.12.50.18; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.182; Received: by mail-qy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 12so2038243qyk.21 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.11 with SMTP id k11mr3675768qcm.50.1272225018069; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:50:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <733078.90670.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <5f7591f2-cb68-4a39-940c-965a0770343f@b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <775037.72228.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <910640.40103.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <971944.73808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <983500.94659.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <770120.37196.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <733078.90670.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:50:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:35 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > OK, I've almost got it, I think. =A0're lo cimei be lo broda' will get me= somewhere between four and six things that are in lo broda, delivered up i= n threes, even if they are not any of them the three that went into composi= ng lo broda (teams that actually lifted the piano, say -- supposing not all= triads succeeded). I suspect you must be reading "ci" as a quantifier (with scope over the quantifier "re") there, otherwise I don't see how you can get anything other than exactly two things from that. re lo cimei be lo broda cu brode Given the referents of "lo cimei be lo broda": eaxctly two of them do brode= . That's all. What do we know about the referents of "lo cimei be lo broda", we know that they are three and that they are among the referents of "lo broda". What do we know about the referents of "lo broda"? That they broda. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.