From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDcjNPeBBoEBGSdMQ@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 25 15:47:19 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O6Aba-0005Bc-BI; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:47:19 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf4543384ywh.28 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ar+XSAuuHag9sBVH+IryOoTLCvOEV7moW7E1Rw+J0C8=; b=QEILqm8sejAs+KD0rvMOSJ9hEF5WmVqOfULLK7B5EbyRaR0TFNCnlXKSO6n+FoTLx+ Ep6gapJ0PuQu3pLtDwr17SCqWJ1fCAn4bszqt8ds9NvlDZsvZI/87RWkUo9NMJLLNi3b LeBINd4NKfrpZZ7S8IqsrrD8+Z1nnsDburX5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ln3Sm4vaSxtRHzPnI9kRt645xpd0rYqb+eYbZNKZBBSAmJ/PEIiJhvTvSj2h/wbqOV MwmbFRXwdxzwdhXO9Y5V1XBxHg0PwjWGXmQ1YnD5eSk6s2OXVwaJHtXi8cBnCiT3lJGy qsg/8XMuoeJ2scDFAsbKODH5xIgNhjx4cqF18= Received: by 10.91.85.16 with SMTP id n16mr757627agl.2.1272235612810; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.8 with SMTP id t8ls40226099agl.2.p; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr1328118agi.4.1272235612010; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr1328117agi.4.1272235611986; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.117]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 17si415868gxk.8.2010.04.25.15.46.50; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.117; Received: (qmail 8472 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2010 22:46:50 -0000 Message-ID: <497776.6427.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TGZtWLkVM1lCcbCAIGu1rMVRpFLMce4kv_WHG9kLpMPrvPu sAUn0x.8zigpFe06lGWUHcM9K2CoxC33qj7LigOeA6kKrurBzQoQP28PZUxf dbR6cTBIdlWeQetleXIIV2zUWdAa.1tDinIoeKSY_ZjtyY.6O6KsesSRxZSD Stef10hQrgNpBx3Gco4IGg993oHYz..xQ_ImHjMtFsNWjUSsK6EoGuFrOM4a Q7b30UZOVsUNjqVQr4RvUbSSlyLiP7KsMiSkpu4Z37uHx306fXhCDJdqhTEF fBuZ2E5_FRadTK5AhBjxM1L9Gslkw.zjb.5ZpFJIBCbPN84WcYKyjx36Blc8 uqMYexPK_GCpVlCh19BG_aQal4JtJyoahTUD0 Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <5f7591f2-cb68-4a39-940c-965a0770343f@b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <775037.72228.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <910640.40103.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <971944.73808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <983500.94659.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <770120.37196.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <733078.90670.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, so I am not getting it. 'lo cimei be lo broda' is not some trios out o= f lo broda but just a trio out of lo broda, not in any sense different from= (what used to be written as) 'ci lo broda'. So how do we get references t= o cases of several selection, each of them a trio, say? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 2:50:17 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:35 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > OK, I've almost got it, I think. 're lo cimei be lo broda' will get me s= omewhere between four and six things that are in lo broda, delivered up in = threes, even if they are not any of them the three that went into composing= lo broda (teams that actually lifted the piano, say -- supposing not all t= riads succeeded). I suspect you must be reading "ci" as a quantifier (with scope over the quantifier "re") there, otherwise I don't see how you can get anything other than exactly two things from that. re lo cimei be lo broda cu brode Given the referents of "lo cimei be lo broda": eaxctly two of them do brode= . That's all. What do we know about the referents of "lo cimei be lo broda", we know that they are three and that they are among the referents of "lo broda". What do we know about the referents of "lo broda"? That they broda. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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