From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCOktbeBBoEbqDTyw@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 26 05:38:02 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O6NZV-0007SJ-AB; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:38:02 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf87272wye.16 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eiQRU9t07lzLLO+HDigMp+CBbbsNfbvWNaRo+EoWmg4=; b=sGKueYXmTY3/tae5+uTC9VpslVxsD2bN26MUqltTbN07sqDuLPVaCJ1XfEntxVLF75 5/ISRDyAiaUNpezZCGOR/x3BgB30TaQAecFvakgRPmfWyiPuhdPBLwQ2m8u99j0/5X42 wo1gZJW1d74/c3xamwlvOfUUz5F4AbQ729lac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rTLYKEJmtRuLOwRA7UM7hxU8cnEe/E8MUTiZPAIYP4jaTz35QeylZtT3NuEqN/sHFk Yuf66Sft2oBIOIx+DgtD3dCCwNpgnl9pZVZp4GxOGx9EZZJiEPMhx0sM9BGgiUGz9e7v WDG33d0EsNbGPRe/GZb93gBPhQmNIsy8JVSm4= Received: by 10.223.16.87 with SMTP id n23mr1158105faa.19.1272285454914; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.77 with SMTP id 13ls14792320bky.3.p; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.26 with SMTP id e26mr191969bkw.18.1272285452551; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.26 with SMTP id e26mr191968bkw.18.1272285452531; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si518897bwz.6.2010.04.26.05.37.31; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.173; Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so15583108qyk.17 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.66.77 with SMTP id m13mr1217723qai.294.1272285450247; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <935949.5919.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <983500.94659.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <770120.37196.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <733078.90670.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <497776.6427.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <935949.5919.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:37:30 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:14 AM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Well, now I am confused yet again. =A0In my rethinking, I figured out tha= t lo cimei be lo broda would be a set of things that realized 'cimei be lo = broda', I would say "things that" instead of "a set of things that", but ok. >that is, for every thing among lo cimei lo broda ther are two other things and no more than two other things... > among lo cimei lo broda and thus all three are among lo broda. =A0So lo c= imei be lo broda must have at least three members but might have any number= at all greater than that. At least three and at most three. ko'a cimei .ijo ko'a su'ocimei gi'e su'ecimei "A are three iff A are at least three and at most three." >=A0Now it would seem that lo ci lo broda, since it has an internal quantif= ier does have exactly three members of lo broda, so it is not the same. The internal "quantifier" tells which N-mei predicate the referents of the sumti satisfy. So if the internal "quantifier" is "ci", the referents of that sumti satisfy "cimei". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.