From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRD0hdfeBBoEqHuf-g@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 26 09:45:04 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O6RQY-0005SA-Vx; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:45:03 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf6452509gwj.16 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:date:from:subject:to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2M7JYlKffnrbbyjcSs96r7f0jQ/yUT97O2HNwC2kANM=; b=unadF/mcZHnnubG51whlf0/S3QEuofcMvMb0wdZ804kTmRybUEb0bGjuarN4I3WgHs mVaXjVUnD70VuQDrtSZpWXreVnWSS8Y1OQ+GaF+7/8OnnPE863eSSQ3M4cYz8/CCai6O c+CKOh+//Kzvz9VqPlyaVGdXEQIbEbacLo2Cs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:date:from :subject:to:mime-version:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ubRdEnrRIy/PD9K1D1i9kRGUjFaExU9kuIofMdI+fZG2LkvAJOYocDLAE9smFQ5mef jx4rrYW7Wnutn3CrKVPGsa7ezfA0+i5VIPScw2X15UhlZT3caBUIyPcM185yc+w/AZj5 kz85hFzMp8vYdT7QUm0NAjL9Nj+bF7s2iT9e4= Received: by 10.101.27.34 with SMTP id e34mr671476anj.8.1272300276980; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.174.37 with SMTP id b37ls34035260anp.6.p; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.175.33 with SMTP id c33mr3114612anp.21.1272300275182; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.175.33 with SMTP id c33mr3114561anp.21.1272300271976; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id c29si8232400anc.3.2010.04.26.09.44.30; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.123; Received: (qmail 39995 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2010 16:44:30 -0000 Message-ID: <543671.39631.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8Yz5pQEVM1liva5GC2pYDuD.SBPrI5lOvx6DTHuPZONgZNo qRcHXp5VGrw9DkQkyc_hIuvm8ulaDqXIV6no07n1pO_3cS1oykPMP3JO5R9v I1gqMNMF6IOfUuOmdkJu.vvQzeDqlEbmJ5WZ9rnrKPdnpu_S7v1mLSqwC2NN 3XuRFL09DVv.2iFHbn1sSc16qomuiA7AtA2T9IJMWM64tmXlxm_W3thb6j5s Ykatz9hPTLP9W7umqGKy9YKGUtQrDppiBbnzIyAXrfs3rikKBMIJ3wqLjZ.p GQbKk4k60y42xgEVZxDEdOL2jh7TjY17PaUQMjN_nJAhIvCOv.ymoD49yhCG iM4wE.pyqZTfnsHdFf6FFTtcvsP8mOEUKzfDFKA-- Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "John E. Clifford" Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops! I forgot that the exactitude of 'ci' would come into play. So, if we= want two trios, what do we do? 'lo re cimei'? Sent from my iPad On Apr 26, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:14 AM, John E Clifford wro= te: Well, now I am confused yet again. In my rethinking, I figured out that lo= cimei be lo broda would be a set of things that realized 'cimei be lo brod= a', I would say "things that" instead of "a set of things that", but ok. that is, for every thing among lo cimei lo broda ther are two other things and no more than two other things... among lo cimei lo broda and thus all three are among lo broda. So lo cimei= be lo broda must have at least three members but might have any number at = all greater than that. At least three and at most three. ko'a cimei .ijo ko'a su'ocimei gi'e su'ecimei "A are three iff A are at least three and at most three." Now it would seem that lo ci lo broda, since it has an internal quantifier= does have exactly three members of lo broda, so it is not the same. The internal "quantifier" tells which N-mei predicate the referents of the sumti satisfy. So if the internal "quantifier" is "ci", the referents of that sumti satisfy "cimei". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.