From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD5nNfeBBoEjtVjog@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 26 10:34:15 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O6SC9-0000Mj-OQ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:34:15 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf421813wye.16 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:34:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KH/3dQ04a20TliE4eQdeZMBhU31oMEzwUm/WtjXv+wk=; b=Xyh/oWDM0HpUT7FCnmrC+jpYJV3VN60pcrQ+03jndVT3gpvypFnOIMu4T8t5/G9GAj JXLERXEzJ5ejlHf01uHqvt01PlZqTfC/CZZawQOtrdvFwVNyXsitu+7PCLysJaPC8T7I QYykV+VZA025CVxKDoPext9JI71clB5pjZi0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HXK2e/2nzLB4wE3FpRebzS4jXBA8MvtG2I5thK7qUpuSo2vgcrb7L8cvlJPYWairQl cDlVf739xs8nGQenzeTEfrDTfiozS3tZhkMN5mdOAOxW6Vu31oNS877p3AAV7crM4FgA QUVoeWr6klXBcvGUkh5OxBzEpo7Klrgu9rigo= Received: by 10.223.132.216 with SMTP id c24mr1282930fat.2.1272303225636; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.24.105 with SMTP id w83ls10159649wew.1.p; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.157.8 with SMTP id n8mr395464wek.19.1272303223012; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.157.8 with SMTP id n8mr395463wek.19.1272303222981; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.221.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1si5308814wbg.6.2010.04.26.10.33.41; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.180; Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so17458032qyk.25 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.228.83 with SMTP id jd19mr5420035qcb.72.1272303219322; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543671.39631.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <543671.39631.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:33:39 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] What gets into 'lo broda' From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:44 PM, John E. Clifford wr= ote: > Oops! I forgot that the exactitude of 'ci' would come into play. =A0So, i= f we want two trios, what do we do? 'lo re cimei'? lo re ci mei are actually 23. "lo reboi cimei" are both two and three: they are three because they satisfy "zo'e cimei" and they are two because that's what the inner "re" says, so they also satisfy "zo'e remei". My guess is that in this particular case the "inner quantifier" forces the reification of the three into one, because otherwise it is redundant to count again what is already counted by its very definition. But if three can only be three, then "lo reboi cimei" is just like the square circle. When more clarity is desirable, then "lo re gunma be lo cimei": "the two groups of three" is better, as now it is clear that it's the groups that are two, not the things that are three. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.