From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDLsNfeBBoEJ_Qq4g@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 26 11:16:08 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O6Sqf-00030D-JA; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:16:08 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf29140643qyk.1 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FLCKaCzgStsofiVailJqEepilff3yz7/VCfAyYzGhOo=; b=re/3zmOSNM7aAqH3p1FUxY78r2obXrX7G42N+I6vwDwkn0cZRyxX3Sw44SBYtDVEyG NlwnvV44ZWAGmNF3C271RVFDx9HKCLuYHAdXNw50fQYnB+BXlbS7LzRUSqreQnZLw3Mk D6QrJJdEpk4iR2q1WRJdvtUDuN84QChTavpi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G8f+v4LXZiFYLDivZz9naH5Yxhj7sKyRPlmfXZR7u2+P/p68VK/uGKtDY0DqV1zXlw FdQMLrODXpY+huGbTJAoEdWEEZlvICqY+tyKv8HWWTiQaalqgN7VkN/7FdivHmzXqHC8 GmZaep1ge0Ua6+jGIAsh2gywyustZ8mAcjj2k= Received: by 10.224.0.100 with SMTP id 36mr394059qaa.29.1272305739303; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.59.82 with SMTP id k18ls4254052qah.5.p; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.25.66 with SMTP id y2mr395108qab.14.1272305738110; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.25.66 with SMTP id y2mr395107qab.14.1272305738080; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si574596qyk.0.2010.04.26.11.15.37; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 10so1566133vws.21 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.203 with SMTP id hv11mr5483604qcb.46.1272305736165; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.39.197 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:15:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] bug in le cmalu noltru? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/24 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Luke Bergen wrot= e: >> >> {mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri} >> >> I thought that BAI take a sumti so right off the bat it looks funny that= we >> have {ki'u broda} > > BAIs are tags, like PU, and like all tags they can be used as sumti > tcita or as selbri tcita. (Or as connectives.) > > "mi ki'u bilga" is like "mi pu bilga", except with "because > (whatever)" instead of "before (whatever)". > > "mi ki'u bilga lo nu cuxna lo drata jibri" is "I therefore (i.e. > because of contextual reason) had to choose another job." In case xorxes' answer wasn't explicit enough for you, "ki'u bilga" is the same as ki'u ku bilga. There is some reason for being obligated, but we don't know what it is. See the CLL, Chapter 9, section 9 > --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.