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(was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.191 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b5f5f6d0f2fdaad7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Doty wro= te: > > I think it works for all examples, not just a select few. OK, I'll hold back my skepticism until I see the full list. Or at least an unbiased sample, let's say aaa, aab, aba, abb, baa, bab, bba, bbb. (Not sure if all of them are in use, if not, replace a vowel or a consonant by another vowel or consonant.) > Some will need > various changes to make them fit (three-consonant codes, for example, wil= l > need a buffer vowel, or the addition of an autonym vowel somewhere, for > example), but there is no reason that we couldn't do that in a consistent > way, so that, say, if you see a buffer vowel, get it out of there when > you're looking for the autonym (that was in obvious, I realize, but it co= uld > still work for other things). How will you tell a buffer vowel apart from a vowel coming from the code? > I think, too, that the representation of language family is a great idea, > but I wonder about giving ourself more leeway with the form these would > take. =A0{-ine}, for example, works pretty well; {-esx} less so. =A0We mi= ght be > able to get a better match if we used the language family codes as the fi= rst > part of the fu'ivla and changed them a bit to assure that they had a good > cluster in a require position; we thus wouldn't have to tweak the languag= e > code as much (if at all, except clusters), making it more recognizable. > =A0{-ine}, for example, might become {.inde-}. =A0And, presumably, the la= nguage > code is more important to be able to look up than the family code. That starts to look a bit like what I proposed, with the prefix "bangu-" replaced by something coming from the language family. > We could also do some other things to make pretty clusters that are more > autonymic. =A0For example, the Niger-Congo language family is spread acro= ss > nearly all of Africa, and is such a large grouping as to not be that usef= ul. > =A0But, as mentioned before, nearly all Bantu languages (a large subset o= f > Niger-Congo) have a prefix for languages of the form ki-, with variants i= n > different languages like iki- and ichi-. =A0Thus, we could use a separate > prefix for Bantu languages, say {itci-} or {tci-} making them look more > autonymic. ".itci" won't work, as the ".i" will fall off, "tci-" might, but depending on what follows, you could end up with lujvo forms. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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