From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhCGnZjfBBoEGFYmwA@googlegroups.com Sat May 08 18:23:37 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAvEy-00084v-Jg; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:37 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf1982204gxk.4 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HNC5Cj+pzpFgS9HvHL0coJDb9woEzvVZmPCgeNq+iQg=; b=2H0vQEEEx4wjG+9k/Curam8cIBP7uK/LopXmXIHPvwSDQIM+btI45b5wzq8WyAUjhJ FRgcMHhVF2cawBAQZIeEhN+VxMUlBWPpcYwEC2pjyvbA+Icb5valvtsnNGkBEMJxM5jw nGNa2LRMSJoml6LvzN7Z6T6zdMdA3dD3gVlvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=WtxTRJ0M7ii4/nyYRvRMbF0V4/MTgm96E3KeLChKi3cSLptx93Q/bSg6jcwqCuJAkS saRuQxZ0r3DigiaIN11MUk346WpwiJpt6yaRM4Ixg61X5M/MrP3dG2+vD1MOHyb1eG53 lEncb6lods3yMoqK5Bz2MdvDxgdLb6ww8T4Ng= Received: by 10.90.19.14 with SMTP id 14mr141408ags.59.1273368198115; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6ls6574322agl.0.p; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.49.14 with SMTP id b14mr3506672agk.14.1273368196310; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.49.14 with SMTP id b14mr3506644agk.14.1273368195835; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f179.google.com (mail-gy0-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si362620yxe.2.2010.05.08.18.23.14; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.179; Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so1244863gyd.38 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.156.75 with SMTP id v11mr1325664ibw.25.1273368194528; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.203 with HTTP; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:22:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyway, besides all these reform proposals :), there IS somewhere in the official grammar where cmevla don't lose their meaning: When attached into a lujvo with "zei". And so that's one way I'd think to translate your sentence: mi klama fu lo .opel. zei karce mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.