From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDKoZjfBBoEukWdVA@googlegroups.com Sat May 08 18:33:18 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAvOL-0000a2-9l; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:33:17 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf1985956gxk.4 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MRw60CwHy8puuQtbT4DGRbfYxr+fteky+/DNY3ibiAM=; b=X4kATaTvbH5iUjmhGtpiL82QAFdOtQtAcU/qDnQJ102UzjqKFB31WdQQqhdPiEA0rk BD/XBFDlUA7LPSTRvF+prQ+eplbPbhHM9hVCPf15lC4+u0AuNbDHRKkDrGbPAcrIt22O K5bzDLlZrrGEhP24bM7knXMaIGzbEH7WH874E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PKBhvqF19dRgThEgvYfYhVf6A9WhUlIbdRyUccM4T9Zzm7A09cu6CBm7daxW8DtS4k g0zjzEFKIZADDgUvY0O23JQ2mQJggLd4LGAgtiiHT5i04J3a9S/p0ALn6ZJt9/gvcL4m NunFJAIS2Cmky/ow52oiKYoUwotFraaKAg3gg= Received: by 10.91.121.6 with SMTP id y6mr139430agm.41.1273368778794; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.67.25 with SMTP id u25ls6469302agk.7.p; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.48.9 with SMTP id v9mr3379445agv.5.1273368778192; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.48.9 with SMTP id v9mr3379444agv.5.1273368778144; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f197.google.com (mail-qy0-f197.google.com [209.85.221.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si360217yxe.9.2010.05.08.18.32.57; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.197; Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so3929281qyk.15 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.203 with SMTP id hv11mr1659626qcb.46.1273368776916; Sat, 08 May 2010 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 22:32:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > Anyway, besides all these reform proposals :), there IS somewhere in > the official grammar where cmevla don't lose their meaning: When > attached into a lujvo with "zei". =A0And so that's one way I'd think to > translate your sentence: > > =A0 =A0mi klama fu lo .opel. zei karce Yes, good point, or even: mi klama fu lo me zei .opel. if you feel that adding "karce" is unnecessary or redundant. The fact that we already can create the brivla "me zei ...." from any cmevla is another indicator that cmevla should be brivla, like the rest of open class words. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.