From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRD5iKDfBBoEs7yfRg@googlegroups.com Mon May 10 06:05:24 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBSfY-0003G2-Sn; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:05:24 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf1671491wyb.16 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gY3w3K/i5XJRba7D2A15cZTNj9mt+CyO1tHYdmaZftc=; b=g0ztIQ+kd649YLmGdek+0k0wI08o87uuufEL864Bs3Mo7uD5gCE2ry4EYqwG0X7UCe +i09hR2DOMmcDM2Dh61UYTowetg2PyXtX52SDFct/xqZeg2vnrOR32AuApIsWOMv938A IS8W2OD4eosHT+SsdMDtPqMcbQOYR+Dn1Q74E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=y7rmEJecucvVSDSDSvtekhp3unRO9+NLDJXaeRhvGYrm20zVErqzEZVDAbuItI2CFK k+ibLnzGmQ2kjMqTOuqMuP69RabUYpfTvSNev7A1YP3/oJaSeLQkpORrPOIjHg7sJBw2 Y8qiRJR1Vk8pk5P4Jg+UMBy3rIDzGFaajkwA0= Received: by 10.223.25.203 with SMTP id a11mr410261fac.1.1273496697747; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.86.126.32 with SMTP id y32ls4459245fgc.0.p; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.87.56.22 with SMTP id i22mr255434fgk.1.1273496695665; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.87.56.22 with SMTP id i22mr255433fgk.1.1273496695645; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 8si3146773fav.1.2010.05.10.06.04.54; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.211 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.211; Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so1875188bwz.31 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.48.20 with SMTP id p20mr2418884bkf.56.1273496694338; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.26.216 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:04:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Daniel Brockman Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:04:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.211 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Daniel Brockman wrot= e: >> >> We can list {re roi} as the translation of "twice", too, but that doesn'= t >> mean we should think of {re roi} as having a definition of its own. >> Instead, the meaning of {re roi} follows directly from the meaning of >> its components, and I think the same should hold for {.o'a cu'i}. > > I agree that "re roi" is transparently compositional and should not be > listed, but I'm not so sure about ".o'a cu'i". Is modesty really the > midpoint between pride and shame? No, I don't think {.o'a cu'i} is a midpoint at all. I think it's a zero point. To me, {cu'i} means zero. So {.o'a cu'i} simply means zero pride. >> Besides, why'd you leave out {.o'a nai cu'i}? > > What does it mean? "shameless"? "shows no shame"? > > Maybe it shouldn't be left out. Exactly. Zero shame. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.