From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDZsqDfBBoEBZ5Tcw@googlegroups.com Mon May 10 07:46:05 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBUF2-0003xT-5n; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:46:04 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf2990779qyk.1 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:45:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5MrF1R+6BRmk69939gXWGuwTI5IfIlAVksRe3jN7FUU=; b=nhf7P8hMzGCxmV2ob9fSKHAVEFiI0c839dWM/Vcz95UHjHPberCJVUikFk1aPsiH5t UxzyV5b+x777iKKzk1n3/sLAeHYEhxQ3Mykx+PO+at7pziHiJ6IXarSCzJbQEZQO6wX5 2AACuVRquQCz0XptmetQKuCsMew9SCRdFmsoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cK9QbKugR+CHSH839iS8XfbYGAShnqMHVAT23vQPZ7hmMn+X0opfTtwu+naGXeR0GY 4u52Vk2kl3V5sjUaDLg4LLyGIzrXJcvbHlDlzbElGOQlmvbI2fuI+gCSIuNyuO4K/BNA oZgUy0nbwfyAJwYwRS2YrL5Q8o4RrMiLrq6Ng= Received: by 10.229.142.78 with SMTP id p14mr286290qcu.3.1273502041119; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.53.149 with SMTP id m21ls8176610qag.6.p; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.86.167 with SMTP id s39mr517015qal.17.1273502039946; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.86.167 with SMTP id s39mr517014qal.17.1273502039912; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com (mail-vw0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si1063985qyk.5.2010.05.10.07.33.58; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by vws13 with SMTP id 13so201537vws.0 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:33:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.218.204 with SMTP id hr12mr3361598qcb.101.1273502036730; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:33:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > I have a suspicion that if a person were brought speaking lojban only, th= ey > would probably understand ".o'ocu'i" to mean the same thing that we would > put in a dictionary for it. That suggests that a Lojban-Lojban dictionary may not need to define them. But we have been considering Lojban-English dictionaries. >=A0I think probably everyone in this discussion > (myself certainly included) is being influenced by the fact that our nati= ve > languages do not have attitudinals. All languages have attitudinals, even if not as tidy or systematic as Lojban tries to. English "Wow!" is an attitudinal, for example. >=A0I think that a Xcu'i emotion would be > easily intuited by a person who is fluent or a person whose first languag= e > was lojban. By definition of fluency, that must be so. > As you say xorxes, I think the fact that "zero relaxation" sounds kind of > like "impatience" is an affect of malglico mindset. Did I really say that? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.