From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC0gqLfBBoEHZV6cQ@googlegroups.com Mon May 10 14:57:26 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBayW-0003mC-TW; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:25 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf3442401gxk.4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=y79n0sXr8NCj1wf94roWVnuXzwPvshdr9PF3wp6l8CA=; b=DO89SZYsoqlmXHkC4oMCc1/HZlQL77FC4gEKWly53tgIqqdeKMQAOeV1/AkGZ0SkED RD4cRnoNk9HHSQJby2dSiWPxvmAZTcSwylIjFb3DgqXYr8OCyi1+TkqfpPquH1QpBwMX G009OXXFvtg6iy9QdRDV8x7RDvYqVAgrKFYhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Hvo3as9LPmkBms5Pj4bUbrUSSjWxcROPqp/q88PUeAfbG6AXsYoS7n2f7PYzzOuBZa 7qASImzF+EeZqr3hvxo063ukcV2rIQHe84c5KxLQiCKqqRM7ekzXoaNlLvtA7IfiC4WB 3UcNhBLvJ8gGX7IwwPUAI0J9y5EgacyIhPqDE= Received: by 10.101.139.2 with SMTP id r2mr50130ann.31.1273528628441; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.160.35 with SMTP id m35ls911357ano.2.p; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.243.26 with SMTP id q26mr255358anh.18.1273528627682; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.243.26 with SMTP id q26mr255357anh.18.1273528627644; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.221.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g8si643571anb.2.2010.05.10.14.57.06; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.178; Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so7002016qyk.4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.186.212 with SMTP id ct20mr4106560qcb.39.1273528626408; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:57:06 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Daniel Brockman wrote: > > Okay, here's what I mean. > > {o'a cu'i} = "not proud (but not necessarily ashamed)" > {o'a ru'i} = "a little proud" > {o'a} = "proud" > {o'a sai} = "very proud" > > So {cu'i} kind of means "I don't particularly feel this." > > {o'o cu'i} = "not patient (but not necessarily impatient)" > {o'u cu'i} = "not relaxed (but not necessarily stressed)" > > It works in the opposite direction too: > > {o'a nai cu'i} = "not ashamed (but not necessarily proud)" > {o'o nai cu'i} = "not impatient (but not necessarily patient)" > {o'u nai cu'i} = "not stressed (but not necessarily relaxed)" > > Essentially, I want to split each scale into two separate scales (usually > opposite, but sometimes not quite), ranging from {cu'i}, which I consider > to be zero, through {ru'e}, {ja'ai}, {sai} and maybe beyond. > > Every scale becomes a question of "how much of this do you feel," > rather than a gradient between two emotions. > > Am I making sense? It makes sense, and I think that's how it works for the most part. Where we may disagree is in that I think the cu'i point in many cases (not always) is qualitatively different from just being the zero point on a scale. An extreme example might be "ba'a cu'i", which I don't know how you could fit as the zero point of the "ba'a" scale, but even without going to such extreme cases, something like "modesty" is not quite the same as mere absence of pride, it's more like an extreme minimization or tempering, toning down, mitigating of pride (much more than "ru'e"). Or somehing like that. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.