From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRDNpKXfBBoEywQhEw@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 05:49:35 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBotw-0006xN-FN; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:35 -0700 Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20sf397623wwd.16 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lJ0ZXg6DnZJlll7MRP+2ernjroVgXGFEF3yRlhwzQF4=; b=r/762HbrAnSzUePiG7MrXOv9qVVrpGXT6A7KRQ17sPJbCmXpZTPDTI4nFvdeeba2Ro DCJJqoVTlLUAl3V8X4vRzMfoUcEmZ14u30kntMSJnMa+lNatstzudsiMh5xRigDpOuoV TnJcKd9E0E7j7irkO6EnFmWtYG5MS+66Qd/5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LwFpZL4u2qug8z1nPN/Pk5NH9a8M1UcLl0B+eB18+9kGjHSnEXEJtgCmz5fLClSHe6 +3pTyFbuBgAXmS0i2G9gMv7cDpwht7hdddRBAN57PJ92TjkkB2XIY4jorDrxlnx+rhha ts8Kl+ax4X8YCnJS8I3NViBvtiQJ7fRpWPuZU= Received: by 10.223.4.202 with SMTP id 10mr600916fas.47.1273582157672; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.87.74.30 with SMTP id b30ls5523038fgl.3.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.119.24 with SMTP id r24mr368224fgc.5.1273582156455; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.119.24 with SMTP id r24mr368223fgc.5.1273582156437; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsp-outgoing5.binero.net (vsp-outgoing5.binero.net [193.17.218.164]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 8si4010422fav.1.2010.05.11.05.49.16; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.17.218.164 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of daniel@gointeractive.se) client-ip=193.17.218.164; Received: from smtp16.webbpost.se (unknown [194.30.169.3]) by vsp-outgoing5.binero.net (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by smtp16.webbpost.se (IceWarp 10.0.7) with ASMTP (SSL) id TRI40209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:49:09 +0200 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1228745fgb.7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.34.206 with SMTP id m14mr3007674bkd.14.1273582146934; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:49:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.26.216 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:48:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Daniel Brockman Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:48:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.17.218.164 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of daniel@gointeractive.se) smtp.mail=daniel@gointeractive.se X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> I might prefer {cu'i} as a contradictory negator for attitudinals, >> by the way, rather than a "zeroer". >> >> That gives >> >> UI = sei broda >> UI ru'e = sei milxe lo ka broda >> UI sai = sei mutce lo ka broda >> UI cu'i = sei na broda > > What about "nutli" instead of "na"? Or maybe na/na'e/nutli are all > more or less equivalent in this context. Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like the {na} interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} = {sei na mutce lo ka broda} ends up meaning something useful. If we take {cu'i} for {nutli}, then we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useless. >> UI nai = sei to'e broda I meant {sei to'e zei broda}, of course. >> UI sai cu'i = sei na mutce lo ka broda >> UI ru'e sai = sei milxe lo ka mutce broda > > Shouldn't that be "sei mutce lo ka milxe lo ka broda"? Sorry, yes. Exactly. >> I have never used {be'u} nor seen it used, so I have no intuitions >> about what it might mean. > > I think it's "sei to'e dukse". Well... okay. So could I say {be'u} when I'm hungry? Whenever I have too little of something, {be'u} applies? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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