From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDL2KbfBBoEV7jCBQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 12:13:36 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f190.google.com ([209.85.217.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OButW-0003hs-Bd; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:34 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf4118090gxk.6 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IudVUw/Cu6ODclGpEJr0x6zydJ7gdLp0O8/VGJIpRvQ=; b=MpH62VqGL4s6fbGx9w/1R2gkK4u0LhPgjkJcVNp0RWH+1RtOsqIYrq2rWAiSaoFn5C Jvdkav1Sj7T1rZx5kLBUeZSqsusXR4NSm92VKRiH/yNQaktw7fJrHVgpUBWUO0zf1Bj6 z8FRG6ckjdi/PnaF2YJN9MSqt7TVHNfJ+jnDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JDhidVq6ffnDilg3v0fu6Zb7/5vt512RIddEMaCfKZgUScws8bICH8nwX83J4MgTHS bKrPAj4A0uB+2u++7mz1gMHPd581GN0de1GRQOv7yyNGbvQHcNalTxHtfz36A0dHM8Zm YoY7NY5tayuDlaiT+6CRY9rlxqzZ8WwzTYiVk= Received: by 10.151.116.20 with SMTP id t20mr823237ybm.31.1273605195871; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.139.8 with SMTP id r8ls2830289ann.7.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.134.9 with SMTP id l9mr711231ann.25.1273605194993; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.134.9 with SMTP id l9mr711229ann.25.1273605194906; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f193.google.com (mail-qy0-f193.google.com [209.85.221.193]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si673227ywh.3.2010.05.11.12.13.13; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.193; Received: by mail-qy0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so8626479qyk.25 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.80.65 with SMTP id s1mr4183720qak.239.1273605193627; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:13:13 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Daniel Brockman wrote: > > Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like the {na} > interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} = {sei na mutce lo ka broda} > ends up meaning something useful. If we take {cu'i} for {nutli}, then > we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useless. I think I would tend to read that as ((UI sai) cu'i) rather than as (UI (sai cu'i)). What about "UI cu'i cu'i"? Would the two cu'i cancel out in your scheme? All of this reminds me of this long ago exercise: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Three-value+Logic This is what was said of "cu'i" in that three-value logic system: "(0,1,-1) is not absolutely neutral, it is uncertainty with a bent towards assertion, but it is the closest to neutral and we do need it to generate others, so {cu'i} has to be it." Which is kind of similar to what I was saying about "o'acu'i" and "modesty". In the three-value system, full neutrality was cu'icai (-1, 1, -1) (i.e. an operator that returns false for true or false, and true for neutral.) >>> I have never used {be'u} nor seen it used, so I have no intuitions >>> about what it might mean. >> >> I think it's "sei to'e dukse". > > Well... okay. So could I say {be'u} when I'm hungry? > Whenever I have too little of something, {be'u} applies? Not sure if "be'u" by itself would be very clear just to express that you're hungry, but if you are hungry and someone is not serving enough on your plate, you might indicate that with "be'u", "not enough!" mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.