From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRDCgqffBBoEaaLkFg@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 13:43:05 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBwI5-0002Vd-6I; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:43:05 -0700 Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20sf597659wwd.16 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UM1ReCeb/y0m62ZOyH9yiQNupRm79d7cCL1u8CP+h5s=; b=sWqHHufhQJrtwkfnwYD0D0N4ikY9t2AUdC4e4r4scH+Hg75H/HDQekIj9QlgwPnOlg CppW1PzGEqWMPPFdoeeGheXwZmfOwNbst32Ou7R6gEqJRU3skxik334HtyyLfqJUgqqk v0DDIx5A95+JBGj5IT79gY3QoqPKgmkwqGouM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O4eAZvUMe3v4DeNaS4792/JCMeKBKzg+leoMdLxzAVCff5cIPSdFXmy7se4R6ehwSP lHK/B0WsFmi7SNxoilUzkg6o84N4bOhaNQX6kmklZeXBKHWKzx4Wf7QcwNrKpwX/aWwv IJzTvUKGhL0rLLsJYgtnnttrPzxDai5tG1ImY= Received: by 10.223.5.69 with SMTP id 5mr729419fau.37.1273610562587; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.37.82 with SMTP id w18ls12462811wbd.3.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.62.80 with SMTP id w16mr366576fah.22.1273610558893; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.62.80 with SMTP id w16mr366575fah.22.1273610558868; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsp-outgoing4.binero.net (vsp-outgoing4.binero.net [193.17.218.163]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id x13si4322807fah.3.2010.05.11.13.42.38; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.17.218.163 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of daniel@gointeractive.se) client-ip=193.17.218.163; Received: from smtp16.webbpost.se (unknown [194.30.169.3]) by vsp-outgoing4.binero.net (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:42:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]) by smtp16.webbpost.se (IceWarp 10.0.7) with ASMTP (SSL) id TZB85431 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:42:31 +0200 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so2493926fxm.28 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.75.67 with SMTP id x3mr838367bkj.116.1273610551224; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.26.216 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Daniel Brockman Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:42:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.17.218.163 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of daniel@gointeractive.se) smtp.mail=daniel@gointeractive.se X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like the {na} >> interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} =3D {sei na mutce lo ka broda} >> ends up meaning something useful. =A0If we take {cu'i} for {nutli}, then >> we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useless. > > I think I would tend to read that as ((UI sai) cu'i) rather than as > (UI (sai cu'i)). What do you mean, what difference would that make? > What about "UI cu'i cu'i"? Would the two cu'i cancel out in your scheme? I guess {ui cu'i cu'i} =3D "It's not that I'm not happy..." > All of this reminds me of this long ago exercise: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Three-value+Logic > > This is what was said of "cu'i" in that three-value logic system: > > "(0,1,-1) is not absolutely neutral, it is uncertainty with a bent > towards assertion, but it is the closest to neutral and we do need it > to generate others, so {cu'i} has to be it." > > Which is kind of similar to what I was saying about "o'acu'i" and "modest= y". > > In the three-value system, full neutrality was cu'icai (-1, 1, -1) > (i.e. an operator that returns false for true or false, and true for > neutral.) Yeah, I read about that once. Very interesting, even though I don't quite grasp the concept of three-value logic. >>>> I have never used {be'u} nor seen it used, so I have no intuitions >>>> about what it might mean. >>> >>> I think it's "sei to'e dukse". >> >> Well... okay. =A0So could I say {be'u} when I'm hungry? >> Whenever I have too little of something, {be'u} applies? > > Not sure if "be'u" by itself would be very clear just to express that > you're hungry, but if you are hungry and someone is not serving enough > on your plate, you might indicate that with "be'u", "not enough!" Right, okay. :-) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.